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Anoni Moose () wrote in alt.video.dvd:
> I don't know how players and dvd drives are different.

They aren't.

Many standalone players are built by using a standard DVD-ROM drive as
the drive mechanism.

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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:17:15 GMT, theyak <> wrote:

>
>Macrovision are fools. Their new copy protection will be defeated the
>day the first dvd is out. If they tried to do something that couldn't be
>played on the millions of dvd players already out there they are even
>more stupid than they seem already.

Already defeated with latest DVD Decrypter.

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:59:03 +1100, "Gregory Kleverlaan"
<> wrote:

>Had a few dvd's like that as well.. They play fine in any stand alone dvd
>player. But put them in your computers dvd rom drive (even region/macro free
>ones) and the computer fails to recognise the existance of a dvd present. I
>don't know what causes this. Maybe others can shed some light on this.
>

I've noticed that with CDRom drives, every now and then, you'll find a
CD that it has problems with. I'm finding the same is true with DVDs
as well. Yellow Submarine could not be recognized by my DVDburner,
but when I placed it in a different DVD Rom, it works fine.

Zeligg

"Prayer has no place in the public schools,
just like facts have no place in organized religion."

- Superintendent Chalmers, The Simpsons

Macrovision is covering themselves by saying they are studying the rippers
out there and encoding DVDs in a way that will cause the rippers to stall or
crash.
They will also adapt to any fixes that Decryptor comes up with.
What will probably happen is, you can still rip, it is just going to take a
lot longer.
I would promise never to copy anything again if it meant the demise of
Macrovision. How they stay in business is beyond me.


"Alpha" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> "Anoni Moose" <> wrote in message
> news: oups.com...
>> Tims News wrote:
>>> I'll give it 2 days b4 its cracked.The pirate market place is too
>> large and
>>> funded by some big powerful people the best hackers and rogues in the
>> world
>>> will be on the case within moments of the first disk being released
>>
>> You're assuming it's something crackable. AFAIK from the
>> news releases, it's not a software based thing and it's
>> compatible with current players. That means it's probably
>> playing head-games with the way current players and DVD-drives
>> are built. Some/most drives won't work, and some brands
>> will (but players will be happy), is the way I read it.
>>
>> I don't know how players and dvd drives are different.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
> I agree. It may very well be a combination of things, including physical
> mods to the DVD.
>
>
>

Zimmy wrote on [Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:36:49 -0500]:
> Macrovision is covering themselves by saying they are studying the rippers
> out there and encoding DVDs in a way that will cause the rippers to stall or
> crash.
> They will also adapt to any fixes that Decryptor comes up with.
> What will probably happen is, you can still rip, it is just going to take a
> lot longer.
> I would promise never to copy anything again if it meant the demise of
> Macrovision. How they stay in business is beyond me.

They have the studios following their assertions?

"Zimmy" wrote in alt.video.dvd:
>I would promise never to copy anything again if it meant the demise of
>Macrovision. How they stay in business is beyond me.

Because the studios follow politicians' logic.

"Something must be done about piracy. This is something. Therefore
we must do this."

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
DVD FAQ: http://dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html
other FAQs: http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/faqget.htm

Bruce Markowitz wrote:

> Wasn't there a thing with audio CD's where they did something to the first
> track so a computer CD drive could not read them?

Mixed CD-Audio/ROM discs have the ROM content on the first track (it
can't be any other track as per the standard).

The first types of protection included a ROM track with corrupt
parameters as to start position and length of data, corrupt
directories, etc.

CD-Audio drives skip over the data part because they wouldn't know
what to do with it, and play the discs fine.

CD-ROM drives try to access it, and their firmware crashes or hangs or
marks the disc as unreadable (this is what made Apple Macintoshes lock
up so the CD couldn't even be ejected again).

For DVD drives it's the same, because a movie DVD is essentially a
DVD-ROM with the video in the data files (unlike CD-Audio, where there
is no file system unless the first track contains data).

Some car stereos can't play them because there's really a DVD drive
inside (probably so you could use the same drive to read a GPS map
DVD, or maybe for better stability because the drive was designed to
handle a narrower optical track).

Uh oh, how will you steal DVD's now?

On 20 Feb 2005 09:22:07 -0800, wrote:

>Uh oh, how will you steal DVD's now?

Shows how stupid you are. As soon as it comes out in full force it
will be cracked, either with a simple software fix or a minor purchase
of hardware. What man fixes another can destroy. What most business
failed to observe is that they do not get the brightest and the best,
but mostly the cheapest and usually off shore, Like the unemployed
Russian scientist after the cold war, there a ton of brilliant people
just looking for a way to shove it up the butt of underpaying brain
dead businesses. Plus, the thousands of hackers and crackers that
work together as a team to break the stupid scheme companies come up
with rather than make the prices reasonable enough to make it usless
to copy. If Mickey Mouse would make their software operating systems
more reasonable they would not have all the illegal copies running
around. At half the price they would make a lot more since the
activation scheme they started.

On 20 Feb 2005 09:22:07 -0800, wrote:

>Uh oh, how will you steal DVD's now?


The same way people have been doing it since the begining of time.