The time it takes to burn DVDs?

Hi.

Just wondered how long it is supposed to take to burn a DVD?

The reason I ask is because I have just burned my first DVD. It
contained around 5 hours of video burned in Super Long Play mode so I
can fit up to 360 minutes of video on one DVD-R/-RW. It was done in
fast encoding 1 pass mode using Nero v6.

It took roughly the same amount of time to burn the DVD as the length
of video it contained, it was like it was burning in real time.

When I want to burn audio onto a CD-R it does do it a lot quicker than
this. For example if I have 80 minutes of audio and burn to CD-R it
may take 4 to 11 minutes to burn the disc.

Should it take this long to burn a DVD? I was using a DVD-RW so would
that take longer than a DVD-R to do? Surely though it still should
take the same time as the length of video I want to burn?

I have Nero v6, Pioneer 109 DVD-RW, Win XP Pro. 120 GB Main HDD.
AMD Barton 2500 CPU. 1GB Memory. ATI 9600 AIW Graphics.

Thanks for any help on this.

John

John

Was that the actual burn time, or the time it took to encode and burn? The
burn should take no longer than 60 minutes in teh absolute worst case. But
encoding/authoring can take many hours.


"John" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Hi.
>
> Just wondered how long it is supposed to take to burn a DVD?
>
> The reason I ask is because I have just burned my first DVD. It
> contained around 5 hours of video burned in Super Long Play mode so I
> can fit up to 360 minutes of video on one DVD-R/-RW. It was done in
> fast encoding 1 pass mode using Nero v6.
>
> It took roughly the same amount of time to burn the DVD as the length
> of video it contained, it was like it was burning in real time.
>
> When I want to burn audio onto a CD-R it does do it a lot quicker than
> this. For example if I have 80 minutes of audio and burn to CD-R it
> may take 4 to 11 minutes to burn the disc.
>
> Should it take this long to burn a DVD? I was using a DVD-RW so would
> that take longer than a DVD-R to do? Surely though it still should
> take the same time as the length of video I want to burn?
>
> I have Nero v6, Pioneer 109 DVD-RW, Win XP Pro. 120 GB Main HDD.
> AMD Barton 2500 CPU. 1GB Memory. ATI 9600 AIW Graphics.
>
> Thanks for any help on this.
>
> John
>
>

Biz

John,

A DVD takes about 8 minutes to burn with a recent vintage burner and 8X or
faster media, which your Pioneer A09 supports. This is for a single layer
disk, which is the type commonly used. A dual layer disk will take twenty
minutes or so. These times are independent of the program length, since the
disk will contain roughly 4.7GB on content for a single layer disk
regardless of whether it holds 6 hours of video at a very low bit rate or 1
hour of video at a very high bit rate.

The rest of the time you experienced is due to "rendering" / "encoding"
time. This is the time it takes for the authoring software (in your case
Nero) to convert the file(s) into the proper format for DVD. If the files
are already in a compliant format to begin with, this additional time is
extremely short, maybe a couple more minutes total. I just finished, for
example, a DVD which I authored with a program called TMPGE DVD Author using
an mpeg2 file I captured in DVD compliant form of a recent TV show. The
rendering took maybe 90 seconds, and the burning took 7 minutes and 12
seconds. Thus the finished disk was done in less than 10 minutes.

The majority of us who have been doing this for a while have found very good
solutions to avoid or at least minimize the encoding / transcoding /
rendering times so as to avoid all the waiting. We can offer suggestions on
this depending upon what type of disks you are trying to make.

Smarty


"John" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Hi.
>
> Just wondered how long it is supposed to take to burn a DVD?
>
> The reason I ask is because I have just burned my first DVD. It
> contained around 5 hours of video burned in Super Long Play mode so I
> can fit up to 360 minutes of video on one DVD-R/-RW. It was done in
> fast encoding 1 pass mode using Nero v6.
>
> It took roughly the same amount of time to burn the DVD as the length
> of video it contained, it was like it was burning in real time.
>
> When I want to burn audio onto a CD-R it does do it a lot quicker than
> this. For example if I have 80 minutes of audio and burn to CD-R it
> may take 4 to 11 minutes to burn the disc.
>
> Should it take this long to burn a DVD? I was using a DVD-RW so would
> that take longer than a DVD-R to do? Surely though it still should
> take the same time as the length of video I want to burn?
>
> I have Nero v6, Pioneer 109 DVD-RW, Win XP Pro. 120 GB Main HDD.
> AMD Barton 2500 CPU. 1GB Memory. ATI 9600 AIW Graphics.
>
> Thanks for any help on this.
>
> John
>
>

Smarty

On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 17:53:56 GMT, A strange species called "Biz"
<> wrote:

>Was that the actual burn time, or the time it took to encode and burn? The
>burn should take no longer than 60 minutes in teh absolute worst case. But
>encoding/authoring can take many hours.

Ah. This might explain it if it was the encoding and authoring. I
went out to lunch and to go shopping and left my machine on, so it had
finished when I got back. The burn part may have only taken a short
time.

So is this the software that makes the encoding/authoring take so
long? Is there nothing that can be done to speed that up, or will it
get any quicker in the future?

What about just dragging and dropping files to DVD-RW as a storage
device? Would that be quicker to do instead of authoring a DVD?

Cheers

John

John

"Smarty" <> wrote in message
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> John,
>
> A DVD takes about 8 minutes to burn with a recent vintage burner and 8X or
> faster media, which your Pioneer A09 supports. This is for a single layer
> disk, which is the type commonly used. A dual layer disk will take twenty
> minutes or so. These times are independent of the program length, since
> the disk will contain roughly 4.7GB on content for a single layer disk
> regardless of whether it holds 6 hours of video at a very low bit rate or
> 1 hour of video at a very high bit rate.
>
> The rest of the time you experienced is due to "rendering" / "encoding"
> time. This is the time it takes for the authoring software (in your case
> Nero) to convert the file(s) into the proper format for DVD. If the files
> are already in a compliant format to begin with, this additional time is
> extremely short, maybe a couple more minutes total. I just finished, for
> example, a DVD which I authored with a program called TMPGE DVD Author
> using an mpeg2 file I captured in DVD compliant form of a recent TV show.
> The rendering took maybe 90 seconds, and the burning took 7 minutes and 12
> seconds. Thus the finished disk was done in less than 10 minutes.
>
> The majority of us who have been doing this for a while have found very
> good solutions to avoid or at least minimize the encoding / transcoding /
> rendering times so as to avoid all the waiting. We can offer suggestions
> on this depending upon what type of disks you are trying to make.
>
> Smarty

Thanks for this reply Smarty. I was going to pose the same question. The
burning doesn't take long but the rendering bit takes ages. I am copying
old music VHS tape content to DVDs that can be played on TV DVDs. I am
using DVD + R discs as I have found they work best on my equipment.

Is there a quicker way to render? Any software and sources that you can
recommend?

Thanks.

lviren

DVD2ONE ?



"lviren" wrote in message >

Figjam\(cable\)

>
> Thanks for this reply Smarty. I was going to pose the same question. The
> burning doesn't take long but the rendering bit takes ages. I am copying
> old music VHS tape content to DVDs that can be played on TV DVDs. I am
> using DVD + R discs as I have found they work best on my equipment.
>
> Is there a quicker way to render? Any software and sources that you can
> recommend?
>
> Thanks.
>
Youmay want to consider captureing in the same resolution/format as you want
for your final product - usually 352x480 mpeg-2 4mhz vbr from vhs.
Check out the help websites often referenced here.

Stuart

Stuart Miller

Stuart's reply is certainly correct but I would like to add some more
suggestions to minimize rendering / burning time.

My first and best recommendation is to capture directly into a DVD compliant
format using a hardware encoder. This is really a very simple and
inexpensive solution. Unlike the approach all of us were using a few years
ago to make DVDs when mpeg2 encoder boards were many thousands of dollars, I
now use Hauppauge PVR-250 cards and Hauppauge PVR-150 cards which cost as
little as $67 apiece to take analog TV / VHS / cable / satellite / camcorder
video and go directly to 720 by 480 DVD compliant video and audio with
absolutely zero rendering time whatsoever. I do the same with a Panasonic
DVD recorder to capture material on either erasable DVD-RAM or DVD-R disks
with zero rendering time. If I need to edit the video, there are several
excellent editors in the $50 to $70 price range. The point of all of this
is............avoid avi files entirely!

Secondly, I would suggest a simple and very well done piece of software to
actually make the DVDs called TMPGE DVD Author. It is fast, easy to grasp
and use, cheap ($60 or so), and very dependable. The free trial version
should convince you of these qualities.

Finally, I would say the latest crop of burners which do up to 16X are a
fantastic bargain, and sell for about 20% of what we paid for burners just a
couple years ago and are 8 times faster. Therefore, it is very worthwhile to
spend the 80 bucks or so and get one of these burners to save more time,
particularly if you burn a lot of disks.

We can elaborate on any / all of these points if that will help you further.

Smarty





"Stuart Miller" <> wrote in message
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>
>>
>> Thanks for this reply Smarty. I was going to pose the same question.
>> The
>> burning doesn't take long but the rendering bit takes ages. I am copying
>> old music VHS tape content to DVDs that can be played on TV DVDs. I am
>> using DVD + R discs as I have found they work best on my equipment.
>>
>> Is there a quicker way to render? Any software and sources that you can
>> recommend?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
> Youmay want to consider captureing in the same resolution/format as you
> want
> for your final product - usually 352x480 mpeg-2 4mhz vbr from vhs.
> Check out the help websites often referenced here.
>
> Stuart
>
>
>

Smarty

On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 22:26:15 -0500, A strange species called "Smarty"
<> wrote:

>Stuart's reply is certainly correct but I would like to add some more
>suggestions to minimize rendering / burning time.
>
>My first and best recommendation is to capture directly into a DVD compliant
>format using a hardware encoder. This is really a very simple and
>inexpensive solution. Unlike the approach all of us were using a few years
>ago to make DVDs when mpeg2 encoder boards were many thousands of dollars, I
>now use Hauppauge PVR-250 cards and Hauppauge PVR-150 cards which cost as
>little as $67 apiece to take analog TV / VHS / cable / satellite / camcorder
>video and go directly to 720 by 480 DVD compliant video and audio with
>absolutely zero rendering time whatsoever. I do the same with a Panasonic

Are DVDs not burned to 720x576 except for Super Long Play which is
352x576? Would it not be quicker to go to these resolutions? I don't
understand how 720x480 is compliant? Is this because you are using
NTSC?

>DVD recorder to capture material on either erasable DVD-RAM or DVD-R disks
>with zero rendering time. If I need to edit the video, there are several
>excellent editors in the $50 to $70 price range. The point of all of this
>is............avoid avi files entirely!
>
>Secondly, I would suggest a simple and very well done piece of software to
>actually make the DVDs called TMPGE DVD Author. It is fast, easy to grasp
>and use, cheap ($60 or so), and very dependable. The free trial version
>should convince you of these qualities.

Is TMPGE DVD Author 1.6 a lot better than just using the Nero 6 Suite
then, i.e. Nero Vision Express?

>Finally, I would say the latest crop of burners which do up to 16X are a
>fantastic bargain, and sell for about 20% of what we paid for burners just a
>couple years ago and are 8 times faster. Therefore, it is very worthwhile to
>spend the 80 bucks or so and get one of these burners to save more time,
>particularly if you burn a lot of disks.
>
>We can elaborate on any / all of these points if that will help you further.
>
>Smarty

>
>"Stuart Miller" <> wrote in message
>news:IRfNd.281838$8l.218126@pd7tw1no...
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for this reply Smarty. I was going to pose the same question.
>>> The
>>> burning doesn't take long but the rendering bit takes ages. I am copying
>>> old music VHS tape content to DVDs that can be played on TV DVDs. I am
>>> using DVD + R discs as I have found they work best on my equipment.
>>>
>>> Is there a quicker way to render? Any software and sources that you can
>>> recommend?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>> Youmay want to consider captureing in the same resolution/format as you
>> want
>> for your final product - usually 352x480 mpeg-2 4mhz vbr from vhs.
>> Check out the help websites often referenced here.
>>
>> Stuart

Hello.

I am capturing Mpeg-2 files from my ATI TV Tuner with the following
settings: 720x576, PAL (625) 8.00M Bit/Sec, Audio 48.000 Khz, 16 bit
stereo. Would these settings make the encoding take longer? Or should
these be okay?

I believe I can change them. There are 4 different recording presets
and I can have High Quality DVD settings down to Mpeg-1 Video CDs and
Mpeg-2 Super CDs etc.

It would be good if it had the same settings as you use when burning
to the DVD i.e. High Quality 60 Mins (720x576 CCIR-601 D1, 9716
Kbits), Standard 120 Mins all the way down to Super Long Play 360 Mins
(352x576 Half D1, 1691 Kbits) but it doesn't unfortunately.

Thanks

John

John

"John" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 22:26:15 -0500, A strange species called "Smarty"
> <> wrote:
>
>>Stuart's reply is certainly correct but I would like to add some more
>>suggestions to minimize rendering / burning time.
>>
>>My first and best recommendation is to capture directly into a DVD
>>compliant
>>format using a hardware encoder. This is really a very simple and
>>inexpensive solution. Unlike the approach all of us were using a few years
>>ago to make DVDs when mpeg2 encoder boards were many thousands of dollars,
>>I
>>now use Hauppauge PVR-250 cards and Hauppauge PVR-150 cards which cost as
>>little as $67 apiece to take analog TV / VHS / cable / satellite /
>>camcorder
>>video and go directly to 720 by 480 DVD compliant video and audio with
>>absolutely zero rendering time whatsoever. I do the same with a Panasonic
>
> Are DVDs not burned to 720x576 except for Super Long Play which is
> 352x576? Would it not be quicker to go to these resolutions? I don't
> understand how 720x480 is compliant? Is this because you are using
> NTSC?
>

The DVD Standard supports several formats besides 720x480.

MPEG1:
NTSC 352x240 / PAL 352x288

MPEG2:
NTSC
352x240 /(352x480 IMHO the Best for most home sources and
a normal analog display [Interlaced TV])
704x480 / 720x480

PAL
352x288 / (352x576 should be the PAL version best for TV/VCR)
704x576 / 720x576

Audio:
MPEG-1 Audio Layer2(.mp2)
Dolby Digital Audio AC-3 (.ac3)
Linear PCM (.wav)



>>DVD recorder to capture material on either erasable DVD-RAM or DVD-R disks
>>with zero rendering time. If I need to edit the video, there are several
>>excellent editors in the $50 to $70 price range. The point of all of this
>>is............avoid avi files entirely!
>>
>>Secondly, I would suggest a simple and very well done piece of software to
>>actually make the DVDs called TMPGE DVD Author. It is fast, easy to grasp
>>and use, cheap ($60 or so), and very dependable. The free trial version
>>should convince you of these qualities.
>
> Is TMPGE DVD Author 1.6 a lot better than just using the Nero 6 Suite
> then, i.e. Nero Vision Express?
>

Nero has a tendency to limit what you can do by forcing a totally
unnecessary encoding using their encoder. TDA has no video
encoder.

While the initial impression of the Menu creation ability of TDA
appears limited in comparison to some others, nothing could be
further from the truth. Once you make your own menu theme,
TDA provides a great deal of support for the very easy
manipulation of the menu's features. All the graphic features of
the TDA menu structure can be replaced by those of your own
making.


>>Finally, I would say the latest crop of burners which do up to 16X are a
>>fantastic bargain, and sell for about 20% of what we paid for burners just
>>a
>>couple years ago and are 8 times faster. Therefore, it is very worthwhile
>>to
>>spend the 80 bucks or so and get one of these burners to save more time,
>>particularly if you burn a lot of disks.
>>
>>We can elaborate on any / all of these points if that will help you
>>further.
>>
>>Smarty
>
>>
>>"Stuart Miller" <> wrote in message
>>news:IRfNd.281838$8l.218126@pd7tw1no...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for this reply Smarty. I was going to pose the same question.
>>>> The
>>>> burning doesn't take long but the rendering bit takes ages. I am
>>>> copying
>>>> old music VHS tape content to DVDs that can be played on TV DVDs. I am
>>>> using DVD + R discs as I have found they work best on my equipment.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a quicker way to render? Any software and sources that you
>>>> can
>>>> recommend?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>> Youmay want to consider captureing in the same resolution/format as you
>>> want
>>> for your final product - usually 352x480 mpeg-2 4mhz vbr from vhs.
>>> Check out the help websites often referenced here.
>>>
>>> Stuart
>
> Hello.
>
> I am capturing Mpeg-2 files from my ATI TV Tuner with the following
> settings: 720x576, PAL (625) 8.00M Bit/Sec, Audio 48.000 Khz, 16 bit
> stereo. Would these settings make the encoding take longer? Or should
> these be okay?
>

You must have a high power system with the through put optimized,
to be able to use those parameters and not have problems. The
encoding is taking place as you capture, in "real time". No further
encoding is needed. All that you might want to do is remove some
commercials (adverts) which can be easily done in TDA or if you
want to do frame accurate MPEG editing you could use VideoReDo
or a Womble product on the MPEG files before feeding them to TDA.


> I believe I can change them. There are 4 different recording presets
> and I can have High Quality DVD settings down to Mpeg-1 Video CDs and
> Mpeg-2 Super CDs etc.
>
> It would be good if it had the same settings as you use when burning
> to the DVD i.e. High Quality 60 Mins (720x576 CCIR-601 D1, 9716
> Kbits), Standard 120 Mins all the way down to Super Long Play 360 Mins
> (352x576 Half D1, 1691 Kbits) but it doesn't unfortunately.
>

There are most likely other capture programs for your card, try
the user comments for that card at www.videohelp.com . There
are sure to be some that allow you more control over the capture
parameters.


> Thanks
>
> John
>
>

Ken Maltby