End of DVDs?

On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:17:31 GMT, "Mark Jones"
<> wrote:

>"Allan" <> wrote in message
>news:.. .
>> On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:55:50 -0500, Anymous <>
>> wrote:
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>> >Actually most the movies are on dual layered DVDs which are 9 gig.
>> >Any movie which is on a 4.7 GB DVD is either under 60 mins or encoded
>> >at a really low bitrate which means it probrobly looks like crap.
>>
>> DVD-5 is typically 60 minutes or less? Or look like crap?
>>
>> Quite amazing the amount of misinformation out there.
>A 100 minute movie can actually look pretty good with the right
>DVD player and some very careful compression.

Especially if you remove all the extraneous crap that comes with most
DVD movies
>
>Once you reach 2 hours and more, it is hard to maintain the
>image quality and still have a movie fit on only one layer.



>

E. Barry Bruyea

"§§ Blue Ice §§" <> wrote in message
news:...
> harmony wrote:
> > right now the best buy is panasonic dvd recorder with 120 gig hd.
> > it comes with vcr so you can re-record vhs tapes on dvd, re-record
camcorder
> > tapes on dvd, and record tv programs on a prescheduled basis. the
machine
> > has all kinds of good stuff on it like tv guide, use of dvd-ram, and
quality
> > is legendary panasonic. cost: $599.
>
> itz good if u r a living room person,
> but think otherwise,

not sure what you mean by "otherwise"? using portable dvd watching? who has
that kind of time except when you are a passenger in a car? Most dvd
watching is done in the living room, or a home theater, no?


>120gb SATA disk costs around 92$, DVD +-RW writer
> costs around 150$. (the vhs part can be taken care of by using a
> tv/video capture card). so if u gotta a machine (u already have since u
> r posting here), then just rig all this stuff to it.
>
>

of course, there is something good to be said about doing it smartly and
cheaply as you show above. But,
$100 here and 100 there brings the total close, and then you have wires
hanging all over the place, no?
panasonic does it in one neat unit that also has good aesthetic appeal (it
really looks better than say a comparable sony model or other brands). also,
operability needs to be easy for all concerned users. i wouldn't mind
spending a little bit more for it, say about $100.
plus, don't forget, the fact that you get tv guide and dvd-ram feature. $599
is pricey, no doubt, but you probably can get it cheaper if you shop smart
on some mail order websites, i would think.

harmony

What high-definition will do to DVDs
By Jo Twist
BBC News science and technology reporter



Make-up lines in high-definition can be tricky
First it was the humble home video, then it was the DVD, and now
Hollywood is preparing for the next revolution in home entertainment -
high-definition.

High-definition gives incredible, 3D-like pictures and surround sound.


The DVD disks and the gear to play them will not be out for another
year or so, and there at are still a number of issues to be sorted
out.

But when high-definition films do come out on the new format DVDs, it
will profoundly change home entertainment.

For Rick Dean, director of business development for digital content
company THX, a high-definition future is an exciting prospect.

He has worked on the Star Wars DVD trilogy, Finding Nemo, The
Incredibles and Indiana Jones.

"There was a time not so long ago when the film world and the video
world were two completely separate worlds," he told the BBC News
website.

I would love to be able to show people what projects that we worked
on really look like in the high-def world and I find it very exciting

Rick Dean, THX
"The technology we are dealing with now means they are very much
conjoined.

"The film that we see in theatres is coming from the same digital file
that we take the home video master," he says.

But currently, putting a master feature film onto DVD requires severe
compression because current DVD technology cannot hold as much as
high-definition films demand.

"As much as you compress the picture data rate wise, you also take
qualities away from the picture that we fight so hard to keep in the
master," he explains.

"I would love to be able to show people what projects that we worked
on really look like in the high-def world and I find it very
exciting."

More to a disk

High-definition DVDs can hold up to six times more data than the DVDs
we are used to.

It will take time though to persuade people who spent money on DVD
players to buy the different players and displays required to watch
high-definition DVDs in 18 months' time.

Mr Dean is confident though: "I think if they see real HD
[high-definition], not some heavily compressed version of it, there is
such a remarkable difference.

"I have heard comments from people who say the images pop off the
screen."


Film or game? Soon we might not be able to tell the difference
High-definition will mean some changes for those working behind the
scenes too.

On the whole, producing films for high-definition DVDs will be easier
in some ways because less compression is needed.

Equally, it may mean Hollywood studios ask for more to be put onto the
average DVD.

"When we master movies right now, our data rates are running at about
1.2 gigabits per second," says Mr Dean.

"Our DVDs that we put out today have to be squashed down to about five
or six megabits per second.

"That's a huge amount of compression that has to be applied - about
98%. So if you have anything that allows more space, you don't have to
compress so hard."

Studios could fit a lot more marketing material, games, and features,
onto high-capacity DVDs.

Currently, an entire DVD project can take up to three months, says Mr
Dean.

Although the step of down-converting will be bypassed, this will
realistically only save a day's work, says Mr Dean.

One of the most time consuming elements is building DVD navigation and
menu systems.

On the fairly complex Star Wars disks, making sure the menu buttons
worked took 45 human hours alone.

If studios want to cash in on the extra space, it could mean extra
human hours, for which someone has to pay.

"If the decision on the studio side is that they are going to put a
lot more on these disks, it could be more expensive because of all the
extra navigation that is required."

And if studios do focus on delivering more "added value content",
thinks Mr Dean, ultimately it could mean that they will want more
money for it.

Those costs could filter down to the price ticket on a high-definition
DVD. But if the consumer is not willing to pay a premium price,
studios will listen, thinks Mr Dean.

Death Star filing cabinets

High-definition throws up other challenge to film makers and DVD
production alike.

More clarity on screen means film makers have to make doubly sure that
attention to detail is meticulous.

"When we did the first HD version of Star Wars Episode I, everybody
was very sun-tanned, but that was make-up.

"In the HD version of Episode I, all these make-up lines showed up,"
explains Mr Dean.

The restoration of the older Star Wars episodes revealed some
interesting items too.


'Future definition high it is'
"There are scans of a corridor [on the Death Star] and fairly plainly
in one of those shots, there is a file cabinet stuck behind one of the
doorways.

"You never used to be able to see it because things are just blurred
enough during the pan that you just didn't see it."

What high-definition revolution ultimately means is that the line
between home entertainment and cinema worlds will blur.

With home theatre systems turning living rooms into cinemas, this line
blurs even further.

It could also mean that how we get films, and in what format, will
widen.

"In the future we are going to look towards file delivery over IP
[internet protocol - broadband], giving a DVD-like experience from the
set-top box to the hard drive," says Mr Dean.

But that is some time off for most, and for now, people still like to
show off something physical in their bookshelves.



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habshi

High-definition TVs are fast becoming the must-have technologies in
the living room, and with programming in the format fast catching up
with demand, high-definition is set to transform how people watch the
box.

In Europe, there is a lack of broadcasts in the format, as issues of
standards start to be ironed out, but gaming in high-definition could
well drive demand for the sets.

High-definition offers extremely high-quality, 3D-like images. But the
sets, which are usually plasma LCD based, are still expensive.

Samsung though has developed a new technique to create high-definition
CRT (cathode ray tube) sets which are a third thinner at the back end
than conventional CRT sets.

This also means that the sets are about a third of the price of plasma
screens.

The CRT HDTV is aimed at people who are nervous of spending so much on
a technology, like plasma, that has been criticised for "screen burn"
- when a mark from a static image is left etched in the screen.

"People trust CRT technology and are comfortable with it - many are
still scared of plasma or LCD because of screen burn. We are still
educating the public though," said Samsung's Genevieve Cosen.

The set is due out in June this year and was an innovation in
engineering and design award winner at this year's show

habshi

harmony wrote:
> right now the best buy is panasonic dvd recorder with 120 gig hd.
> it comes with vcr so you can re-record vhs tapes on dvd, re-record camcorder
> tapes on dvd, and record tv programs on a prescheduled basis. the machine
> has all kinds of good stuff on it like tv guide, use of dvd-ram, and quality
> is legendary panasonic. cost: $599.

itz good if u r a living room person,
but think otherwise, 120gb SATA disk costs around 92$, DVD +-RW writer
costs around 150$. (the vhs part can be taken care of by using a
tv/video capture card). so if u gotta a machine (u already have since u
r posting here), then just rig all this stuff to it.


>
>
>
> "§§ Blue Ice §§" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>
>>habshi wrote:
>>
>>>Who wants fiddly 5inch 3 Gigabyte dvds when you can have tiny
>>>portable 40 Gigabyte 2 inch hard drives which can store seven times
>>>as much ? Enough for a high definition movie ? and erasable ?
>>>Certainly the picture quality from the 40gb sky plus hard
>>>drive is superior to any dvd I have seen.With ultrafast broadband one
>>>could download the movies overnight .
>>>
>>>http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology...tory?id=388168
>>
>>
>>useless..
>>
>>why don't u buy a 60GB notebook HDD for about 120$ and spend another 10$
>>for the usb2 box for the hdd and u have massive storage at yr fingertips.
>>
>>40gigs @200$ is useless.
>
>
>

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habshi wrote:
> Who wants fiddly 5inch 3 Gigabyte dvds

9 gigs...per side.

> when you can have tiny
> portable 40 Gigabyte 2 inch hard drives which can store seven times
> as much?

Because that's not a practical media for mass production of pre-recorded
material, which is where DVDs (and future HD-DVDs, storing 30-40GB) excel.

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> Large Farva wrote:
>> "habshi" <> wrote in message
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>>> Who wants fiddly 5inch 3 Gigabyte
>>
>> DVD's are 9 gig. Please check your facts before making an ass of
>> yourself.
>
> Typical movies are on 4.7GB DVDs.

Wrong - 9 GB on dual-layered DVD, which is the norm.

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Allan wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 02:32:29 GMT, "Large Farva" <>
> wrote:
>>
>> "habshi" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Who wants fiddly 5inch 3 Gigabyte
>>
>> DVD's are 9 gig. Please check your facts before making an ass of
>> yourself.
>
> Which DVD's are 9 gig?
>
> Take your pick:
>
> DVD-9 (12 cm, SS/DL) 7.95 gig (8.54 BB), about 4 hours

Obviously he's referring to this. Don't be pedantic.

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habshi wrote:
> Not interested in waiting more . Want what is available right
> now .

So, go for it. But it doesn't mean the end of DVD, or anything close to
it.

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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:54:26 -0800, "Mike Kohary" <>
wrote:

>>
>> Typical movies are on 4.7GB DVDs.
>
>Wrong - 9 GB on dual-layered DVD, which is the norm.

Close

DVD-10 (12 cm, DS/SL) 8.74 gig (9.40 BB), about 4.5 hours







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