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"David Harris" <g8ina@*NOSP!AM*blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Pioneer 108 with "NIL"'s firmware upgrade, rips and burns at up to 12x
> perfectly with good media (Ritek G04 (?) 8x Infiniti currently)

I'm getting 16x on a NEC 3500 (2.18 firmware) using TY 8x media.

"Daver" <> wrote in message
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> Pioneer 108 is supposed to be up there but for every format ie DVD Ram as
> well LG 4160 is the one. Both can be had for under $150.

Under $150? Is that for an external drive?

Both the NEC and the Pioneer are under $75, internal drive.

> I don't think the Pioneer 109 is out yet, and the 108 is the previous
> generation.
> --
> Doug Ramage


How can the 108 be the previous gen, if the 109 isn't out yet???

"Justin" <> wrote in message
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> Dave wrote on [Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:13:22 -0000]:
> >
> > "Donald Link" <> wrote in message
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> >> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 05:49:46 GMT, "Rick" <>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I've not had much luck finding a good website that gives reliable
> > reviews on
> >> >DVD Burners, but I believe that the common concensus is that brands
like
> >> >Lite-On, LG, Pioneer and Plextor are desirable at their price range
> > (under
> >> >$150). I have also heard about things like "bit-setting" and other
such
> >> >terminologies which apparently improve the way that a DVD is burnt.
> >> >
> >> >I am after one that will not only backup DVDs but also for coping
with
> > the
> >> >various protection methods of PC games. Also, which DVD format is
> > supposed
> >> >to be the most compitable with standalone DVD players (DVD +R or -R)?
> >> >Thanks for any help (or websites to visit) that you can offer.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Do not rule out Memorex. Have found them to be very reliable and no
> >> trouble in using DVD shrink like some of the brands.
> >
> > Crap drives for burn reliabilty with cmc dyes and other budget media
>
> "budget" media is another term for "only use if you don't care if it
> works"?

Er no its not CMC dye is cheap but works perfectly in a pioneer and NEC
drive, infact the same dye is used on some higher end branded blank dvds.
The memorex drive even burns to some ritek dyes worse then other drives

"Rick" <> wrote in message
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> "Pug Fugley" <> wrote in message
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> > Pioneer 108 sells for around $80, can't beat.
> >
> > But no DVD burner will help you bypass copy protection.
>
> Well then, how about a normal CD writer to bypass game copy protection?

Liteon cd burners are considered some of the best when it comes to copying
cds with protection here in the UK one can be had for under £20

"Rick" <> wrote:

> I've not had much luck finding a good website that gives reliable reviews on
> DVD Burners, but I believe that the common concensus is that brands like
> Lite-On, LG, Pioneer and Plextor are desirable at their price range (under
> $150). I have also heard about things like "bit-setting" and other such
> terminologies which apparently improve the way that a DVD is burnt.

There are tons of different brands and models available, and I have only3
and they all do what I need them to do, so I am not a qualified person to
pick the best. If you live in Australia (??) then I dunno, but

If you want to see more users reports then point your browser to
www.videohelp.com and select the DVD Reader/Writer and you can see tons of
reports there.

US? I just got my Nec-3500?? (newest model) at www.newegg.com few months
ago for around 60-65 US$ and either free S/H or around $5 S/H (don't
remember)

> I am after one that will not only backup DVDs but also for coping with the
> various protection methods of PC games. Also, which DVD format is supposed
> to be the most compitable with standalone DVD players (DVD +R or -R)?
> Thanks for any help (or websites to visit) that you can offer.

I don't do commercial DVD (we have $1 rental on new release, or $20/year
fee for unlimited rental here... they give the deal to get more people to
visit their store to buy other stuff), but I understand if you want to copy
the Copy Protected DVD then you will need to use util, technique, and it's
possible.

"Nath" <> wrote in message
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>> I don't think the Pioneer 109 is out yet, and the 108 is the previous
>> generation.
>> --
>> Doug Ramage
>
>
> How can the 108 be the previous gen, if the 109 isn't out yet???
>

Because the NEC 3520, LG 4163 and Plextor 716 are out.
--
Doug Ramage

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What do you guys think about the Plextor DL burner (sorry, I don't know
the model no. off hand)? It has an 8MB cache, compared to the 2MB
cache of the Pioneer 108. I have had a Plextor 40X CD burner for a
while now and I have never had any problems with it.

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:00:05 GMT, sales@___Email_Address_on_Web_site
(SalesMart.com.au) wrote:


>
>The beauty of the Pioneer DVR-108/A08XL drives is it will burn certain
>8X speed media at 12X using Pioneer Authorized firmware. The LG drives
>will only burn at a max speed of 8X and some brands of 8X will burn no
>faster than 4X on the LG drives. No doubt future firmware will correct
>this problem.
>

Actually, the LG4120 will burn DVD+R at 12X, and the LG4160 burns
DVD+R at 16X

"Doug Ramage" <> wrote in message
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> "Nath" <> wrote in message
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>>> I don't think the Pioneer 109 is out yet, and the 108 is the previous
>>> generation.
>>> --
>>> Doug Ramage
>>
>>
>> How can the 108 be the previous gen, if the 109 isn't out yet???
>>
>
> Because the NEC 3520, LG 4163 and Plextor 716 are out.
> --
> Doug Ramage

Doesn't work that way. The 108 is the current generation Pioneer. If other
companies bring out newer models still the same generation against Pioneer,
just that new generation of NEC 3519, LG 4162 & Plextor 715.