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DVD Video - SONG OF THE SOUTH: Asinine Disney Censorship! |
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Since Disney has abandoned all interest in ever doing a North American
home video release of its wonderful _Song of the South_ (1946), is it still morally wrong to want to see this important part of film of history? We've all been teased with bits and pieces of this movie: Nearly everyone knows the words to Johnny Mercer's "Zip-a-dee-doo-dah" and most children are familiar with Disney storybooks featuring illustrated versions of Uncle Remus' tales of Br'er Rabbit, Br'er Fox and Br'er Bear. I finally got the opportunity to purchase 2 DVD copies of Disney's banned _Song of the South_ from 2 different eBay sellers. Both of these DVDs came from now-you-see-it, now-you-don't eBay listings, but both of the sellers quickly delivered the DVDs as promised, even though I received notification that eBay had cancelled their auctions. These DVD listings then reappear and disappear again. The weekends appear to be the best time to find them. The 2 DVDs came from 2 different sellers, with different homespun box artwork and DVD labels, but their DVD contents and quality are identical: Blue Cover: A wide blue boarder with the top reading "The Best Movie Collection" surrounds a color picture of Johnny, Uncle Remus, Ginny and Br'er Rabbit. Orange Cover: An orange and yellow sunset is shown behind Johnny, Uncle Remus, Ginny Br'er Rabbit, Br'er Fox and Br'er Bear. The picture and sound quality of these burned DVDs is totally acceptable, but they are definitely not up to the high standards of what Disney has produced on DVD. The subtitle-free source appears to be a VHS tape, (the Japanese LaserDisc has burned subtitles during the songs) but some kind of line doubling appears to have been used, because, while fine detail and color depth are lacking, the overall clarity of the picture is better than normal VHS. The Extras include the 1972 TV trailer, 1986 theatrical trailer and a 15-minute 1946 radio plug featuring Walt Disney, Johnny Mercer, Bobby Driscoll, Luana Patten, James Baskett and June Hutton (of the Pied Pipers) who sings "Sooner or Later." After twice watching _Song of the South_, I can say that this is a wonderful movie that both adults and children can enjoy. The animated Uncle Remus episodes are outstanding. In spite of Disney's morbid fears that _Song of the South_ is politically incorrect and racially offensive, there is NOTHING truly objectionable in this movie. For example, in _Gone With The Wind_ we think nothing of seeing Hattie McDaniel playing Mammy, Miss Scarlett's pre-Civil War slave servant and hearing Miss Scarlett's slave servant Prissy called "a simple-minded darky." There is nothing anywhere nearly as offensive as this in _Song of the South_. In _Song of the South_, Hattie McDaniel plays her traditional servant role, but she is not a slave, she is a paid servant in the post war South. When nobody tries to stop Uncle Remus as he runs off to Atlanta (with all of his possessions, in a horse-drawn wagon), it is obvious that he is not a slave and that he owns personal property. It's true that _Song of the South_ does have some problems which Disney probably finds embarrassing: *** *** *** Disney's 20th century re-creation of Harris's frame story is much more heinous than the original. The days on the plantation located in "the United States of Georgia" begin and end with unsupervised Blacks singing songs about their wonderful home as they march to and from the fields. Disney and company made no attempt to render the music in the style of the spirituals and work songs that would have been sung during this era. They provided no indication regarding the status of the Blacks on the plantation. Joel Chandler Harris set his stories in the post-slavery era, but Disney's version seems to take place during a surreal time when Blacks lived on slave quarters on a plantation, worked diligently for no visible reward and considered Atlanta a viable place for an old Black man to set out for. Kind old Uncle Remus caters to the needs of the young white boy whose father has inexplicably left him and his mother at the plantation. An obviously ill-kept Black child of the same age named Toby is assigned to look after the white boy, Johnny. Although Toby makes one reference to his "ma," his parents are nowhere to be seen. The African-American adults in the film pay attention to him only when he neglects his responsibilities as Johnny's playmate-keeper. He is up before Johnny in the morning in order to bring his white charge water to wash with and keep him entertained. The boys befriend a little blond girl, Ginny, whose family clearly represents the neighborhood's white trash. Although Johnny coaxes his mother into inviting Ginny to his fancy birthday party at the big house, Toby is curiously absent from the party scenes. Toby is good enough to catch frogs with, but not good enough to have birthday cake with. When Toby and Johnny are with Uncle Remus, the gray-haired Black man directs most of his attention to the white child. Thus Blacks on the plantation are seen as willingly subservient to the whites to the extent that they overlook the needs of their own children. When Johnny's mother threatens to keep her son away from the old gentleman's cabin, Uncle Remus is so hurt that he starts to run away. In the world that Disney made, the Blacks sublimate their own lives in order to be better servants to the white family. If Disney had truly understood the message of the tales he animated so delightfully, he would have realized the extent of distortion of the frame story. *** *** *** And let's not forget that Tar Baby! Surely, someone will take exception to that. Oh well. The world didn't come to an end in 1946 when _Song of the South_ was first released. Somehow Europe and Japan survived home video releases of _Song of the South_ and I think that the United States would be very receptive to a Disney DVD release of this important movie. It just doesn't make sense that we can have Eddie Murphy, Spike Lee and Chris Rock, but we can't have _Song of the South_. In the meantime, I'm glad that _Song of the South_ is available on DVD for those who really want to see it. Everything is satisfactual -- almost. http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/sots.htm One-Shot Scot |
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I have it on good authority that there may indeed be a R1 authorized release of
this film. Keep fingers crossed. The Truth About Frances Farmer: http://hometown.aol.com/jmkauffman/sheddinglight.html JMKAUFFMAN |
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I'd bet there's a 2006 Disney Treasure that will have it to coincide with
the 60th Anniversary. -- RnR Lesnar It's True, It's True- Kurt Angle Bush/Cheney 2004 "JMKAUFFMAN" <> wrote in message news:... >I have it on good authority that there may indeed be a R1 authorized >release of > this film. Keep fingers crossed. > > The Truth About Frances Farmer: > http://hometown.aol.com/jmkauffman/sheddinglight.html > RnR Lesnar |
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JMKAUFFMAN wrote:
> I have it on good authority that there may indeed be a R1 authorized > release of this film. Keep fingers crossed. I heard this from a reliable source also...it sounds like a great candidate for a "Treasures" collection, along with commentary and discussion over the elements of the picture that haven't stood the test of time so well. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mike Kohary mike at kohary dot com http://www.kohary.com Karma Photography: http://www.karmaphotography.com Seahawks Historical Database: http://www.kohary.com/seahawks ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mike Kohary |
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>along with commentary and discussion over the
>elements of the picture that haven't stood the test of time so well. That's exactly what I've been told is in the works. The Truth About Frances Farmer: http://hometown.aol.com/jmkauffman/sheddinglight.html JMKAUFFMAN |
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"One-Shot Scot" <> wrote...
> I finally got the opportunity to purchase 2 DVD copies of Disney's > banned _Song of the South_ from 2 different eBay sellers. Both of these > DVDs came from now-you-see-it, now-you-don't eBay listings, but both of > the sellers quickly delivered the DVDs as promised, even though I > received notification that eBay had cancelled their auctions. These DVD > listings then reappear and disappear again. The weekends appear to be > the best time to find them. That's probably because less eBay employees work on weekends. > The picture and sound quality of these burned DVDs is totally > acceptable, but they are definitely not up to the high standards of what > Disney has produced on DVD. The subtitle-free source appears to be a VHS > tape, (the Japanese LaserDisc has burned subtitles during the songs) but > some kind of line doubling appears to have been used, because, while > fine detail and color depth are lacking, the overall clarity of the > picture is better than normal VHS. The film was captured from the Hong Kong LaserDisc, not the VHS tape. There is a HK SOTS LD up for auction on eBay at the moment (for a mere $1,100 that is!): <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6346144075> The DVD that you describe was captured from the HK LD played on an RCA LDR600 LD player into a Matrox RT-2000 capture card. The resulting AVI files were encoded to MPEG-2 with TMPGEnc, and the assets were authored with Sonic's DVDit! PE, IIRC. The Hong Kong SOTS LD is the exact same film transfer as the UK PAL VHS tape. In fact, if you press your pause button while playing your DVD, you will see overlapping still fields -- a tell-tale sign of a PAL-to-NTSC transfer. Also, the film runs a few minutes shorter than the NTSC-mastered Japanese LD -- another indication that the HK LD is a PAL-to-NTSC transfer. > The Extras include the 1972 TV trailer, 1986 theatrical trailer and a > 15-minute 1946 radio plug featuring Walt Disney, Johnny Mercer, Bobby > Driscoll, Luana Patten, James Baskett and June Hutton (of the Pied > Pipers) who sings "Sooner or Later." I believe that the 1972 TV trailer was on 16 mm film and had a severe case of Vinegar Syndrome before it was digitized. You can tell that the original film elements of this trailer were substandard as compared to the rest of the DVD. The Johnny Mercer radio spot is really a "composite" of two of the three commonly downloaded spots from Christian Willis's site (www.songofthesouth.net). The one spot that is completely missing on your DVD is the one where Johnny is interviewing Walt Disney and Donald Duck (Uncle Walt is providing the voice for Donald I believe). Did you find the Easter Egg? It is in this menu where you will find it. > For example, in _Gone With The Wind_ we think nothing of seeing Hattie > McDaniel playing Mammy, Miss Scarlett's pre-Civil War slave servant and > hearing Miss Scarlett's slave servant Prissy called "a simple-minded > darky." There is nothing anywhere nearly as offensive as this in _Song > of the South_. However, SOTS was marketed maily to children as family entertainment. GWTW was marketed to adults -- a big difference in the eyes of those who object to the legitimate release of SOTS on DVD IMHO. -Junior unclejr |
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"unclejr" <> wrote in message
news: om... "One-Shot Scot" <> wrote... > I finally got the opportunity to purchase 2 DVD copies of Disney's > banned _Song of the South_ from 2 different eBay sellers. Both of > these DVDs came from now-you-see-it, now-you-don't eBay listings, > but both of the sellers quickly delivered the DVDs as promised, > even though I received notification that eBay had cancelled their > auctions. These DVD listings then reappear and disappear again. > The weekends appear to be the best time to find them. <<That's probably because less eBay employees work on weekends. Yeah, it takes eBay half a day to find the listings and remove them. And I shouldn't have called them auctions, because all of them are "Buy It Now" -- before it's too late. Then, a couple of days later, another 50 _Song of the South_ DVD listings appear again. > The picture and sound quality of these burned DVDs is totally > acceptable, but they are definitely not up to the high standards of > what Disney has produced on DVD. The subtitle-free source > appears to be a VHS tape, (the Japanese LaserDisc has burned > subtitles during the songs) but some kind of line doubling appears > to have been used, because, while fine detail and color depth are > lacking, the overall clarity of the picture is better than normal VHS. <<The film was captured from the Hong Kong LaserDisc, not the VHS tape. There is a HK SOTS LD up for auction on eBay at the moment (for a mere $1,100 that is!):>> I didn't know that there was such a thing. You would need to sell a lot of bootlegs to pay for it. <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6346144075> <<The DVD that you describe was captured from the HK LD played on an RCA LDR600 LD player into a Matrox RT-2000 capture card. The resulting AVI files were encoded to MPEG-2 with TMPGEnc, and the assets were authored with Sonic's DVDit! PE, IIRC.>> <<The Hong Kong SOTS LD is the exact same film transfer as the UK PAL VHS tape. In fact, if you press your pause button while playing your DVD, you will see overlapping still fields -- a tell-tale sign of a PAL-to-NTSC transfer. Also, the film runs a few minutes shorter than the NTSC-mastered Japanese LD -- another indication that the HK LD is a PAL-to-NTSC transfer.>> > The Extras include the 1972 TV trailer, 1986 theatrical trailer and a > 15-minute 1946 radio plug featuring Walt Disney, Johnny Mercer, Bobby > Driscoll, Luana Patten, James Baskett and June Hutton (of the Pied > Pipers) who sings "Sooner or Later." <<I believe that the 1972 TV trailer was on 16 mm film and had a severe case of Vinegar Syndrome before it was digitized. You can tell that the original film elements of this trailer were substandard as compared to the rest of the DVD.>> The 1972 trailer does indeed look like total crap. The 1986 trailer looks a lot better. <<The Johnny Mercer radio spot is really a "composite" of two of the three commonly downloaded spots from Christian Willis's site (www.songofthesouth.net). The one spot that is completely missing on your DVD is the one where Johnny is interviewing Walt Disney and Donald Duck (Uncle Walt is providing the voice for Donald I believe). Did you find the Easter Egg? It is in this menu where you will find it.>> Actually, I think I found 5 Easter Eggs. I didn't know that each of the 5 song posters surrounding the Johnny Mercer page could be selected to play full-length versions of the songs. Or, maybe I didn't find the Easter Egg at all. Did I miss it? > For example, in _Gone With The Wind_ we think nothing of seeing Hattie > McDaniel playing Mammy, Miss Scarlett's pre-Civil War slave servant > and hearing Miss Scarlett's slave servant Prissy called "a > simple-minded darky." There is nothing anywhere nearly as offensive > as this in _Song of the South_. <<However, SOTS was marketed maily to children as family entertainment. GWTW was marketed to adults -- a big difference in the eyes of those who object to the legitimate release of SOTS on DVD IMHO. Thanks for this wealth of information. I think this must be the most complete documentation that has ever been done for a bootleg DVD. I'm really glad that I finally got a copy of _Song of the South_. -Junior One-Shot Scot |
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G. M. Watson wrote:
> ---------- > In article <>, > tose (JMKAUFFMAN) wrote: > >>> along with commentary and discussion over the >>> elements of the picture that haven't stood the test of time so well. >> >> That's exactly what I've been told is in the works. >> > My, my, whatever will Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton say?? Honestly, who cares? -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mike Kohary mike at kohary dot com http://www.kohary.com Karma Photography: http://www.karmaphotography.com Seahawks Historical Database: http://www.kohary.com/seahawks ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mike Kohary |
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> Actually, I think I found 5 Easter Eggs. I didn't know that each of
the > 5 song posters surrounding the Johnny Mercer page could be selected to > play full-length versions of the songs. Or, maybe I didn't find the > Easter Egg at all. Did I miss it? Yes, you did. Select the upper-right-hand song (Everybody's Got a Laughing Place, I believe) and the song will play and the cursor will go to the bottom of the menu. Press up twice to select the same icon again, and voila... Easter Egg. Enjoy! -Junior watsona@kenyon.edu |
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