"The biggest scandal to ever hit American politics"

"Franklin County's unofficial results had Bush receiving 4,258 votes
to Democrat John Kerry's 260 votes in a precinct in Gahanna. Records
show only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct."

http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,26...opstories_html


"...a problem with memory cards in North Carolina that caused machines
made by UniLect to lose 4,500 votes cast on e-voting machines"

"Software made by Election Systems & Software began subtracting votes
when totals surpassed 32,000"

"Reports from voters in Florida and Ohio also indicated that some of
them had problems voting for the candidate of their choice. When they
tried to vote for John Kerry, they said, the machine either wouldn't
register the vote at all or would indicate on the review page that the
vote was cast for Bush instead."

http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,26...opstories_html


The Exit Polls might not have been so incorrect after all. Get ready
for the biggest scandal to ever hit american politics, although you
would have to expect something of this magnitude to be covered up
pretty darn quickly.

To Those Who Seek Information as a Basis For Action Regarding Bush's
"Victory":

I examined the discrepancies between the actual vote tabulations as
reported and the Edison/Mitofsky exit poll results in 47 states, incl. D.C.
(in 4 states-NJ,NY,NC,VA-I did not have early exit poll results available,
and the later results had already been amended to reflect input of actual
vote totals, which rendered them corrupt as exit polls and useless for the
purpose of checking the veracity of actual vote totals).

I noticed an overall red shift (to Bush) across the spectrum of states,
but the shift was significantly nonuniform. Having divided the 47 states
examined into two groups, 35 noncritical states and 12 critical or suspect
states (Nebraska included because of ES&S control and prior anomalies even
though not a battleground state), I calculated that the average discrepancy
in the 35 safe states was a +1.4% red shift, that is the average of the vote
totals in each state was 1.4% more favorable to Bush than what the exit
polls predicted (= total movement of 2.8%). In the 12 critical states
(CO,FL,MI,MN,NE,NV,NH,NM,OH,PA,WI,IA) the average discrepancy was a 2.5% red
shift (= total movement of 5.0%), nearly twice that in the safe states. This
in spite of the fact that the average sample size in the critical states was
nearly twice that in the noncritical states and should have produced
significantly more accurate results.

Further, assuming a 3% margin of error and 95% confidence interval for each
state poll (the standard Mitofksy
protocol, but a conservative assumption here, since the sample sizes were
significantly increased in critical states), the red shift exceeded the
margin of error in 4 of the 12 critical states (and equalled it in a fifth).
The chance of this occurring in 4 of the 12 states in the absence of
"mistabulation" can be computed using a simple probability equation and is
approximately 0.002 or one in five-hundred. It's a relatively crude
analysis and better analysis would have to wait on more complete data, but
basically what it's telling us is that we can say with 99.8% certainty that
"mistabulation" played some significant role in this election.

From the specific discrepancies in Florida, Ohio, and New Mexico; from
the amazing voter turnout, which any analyst on truth serum will admit
should have guaranteed a Kerry victory; from what we know, but the media has
now chosen to forget, about how suspect and partisan the vote counting
equipment is; and from pieces of circumstantial evidence, such as Bush not
deigning to campaign in Ohio (crazy unless the fix was in): we can be all
but certain that another election has been stolen and that the toilet has
been flushed on our democracy.

Kerry, inanely, has conceded. But the truth remains to be dug out to
lie in the light and stink in the open air. If we can do no more, let's at
least make sure we don't rest until we have done that.-Jonathan Simon
(Alliance for Democracy)
Remember exit polls are quite accurate. Kerry was significantly ahead in
many areas (in which he lost) when voting machines were used

As one said: "Exit polling is extremely accurate. The pollster is asking
people that have actually voted. Unless they lie to the pollster, exit
polling should have been very close."



No Time for Liberal Self-Recrimination
By Richard Heinberg

November second was a dark day for the future of our world. Just how
dark we are likely to find out soon enough.

Like many other people I've since compared notes with, I wandered
around in a depressed daze Tuesday evening and much of the next day.
The two questions I asked myself are o*nes that millions were no doubt
pondering: What can we learn from these events, and where do we go
from here?

Having spent a couple of days looking at and thinking about the actual
election results, it seems to me that the answers to these questions
are going to take a while to emerge. o*ne thing is clear already,
though: We have to start with a realistic understanding of what
happened

In the days before the election I anticipated a Bush win, primarily
because of the numbers of electronic voting machines in place in
strategic states and counties. At least of a third of voters used
these new "black box" paperless touch-screen machines; the problems
with them-their vulnerability to tampering and their inability to
provide the basis for a verifiable recount, as well as the political
partisanship of their manufacturers-have been discussed extensively
for the past two years. I predicted to friends that o*nly a landslide
vote for Kerry could give him the White House.

On the day of the election, as I learned of the high voter turnout, I
became guardedly optimistic about a Kerry victory. People rarely vote
in record numbers merely to endorse the status quo; usually a high
turnout means that the electorate wants a change. Informal early exit
polls showed strong numbers for Kerry. Was this the landslide that
might overwhelm Bush's secret weapon?

Then the official vote counting began, and the news was grim. By
Wednesday morning everyone was agreed: Bush had won, Kerry had lost.
The people had spoken.

Within hours, leftist spokespeople were offering radio and newspaper
commentaries that offered o*ne or both of two rather predictable
responses. First: the Democrats blew it; they misread the electorate;
they didn't get out the vote; they didn't put forward a sufficiently
(fill in the blank) program. Second: We o*n the left need to regroup,
organize, and hone our message so that it appeals to more voters next
time around.

It seems to me that both responses are pointless. Why? They miss the
single most important aspect of the situation.

This election, like the presidential election of 2000 and the
senatorial elections of 2002, appears to have been stolen.

The evidence of massive voting fraud in this instance is convincing
but-due to the nature of the voting machines themselves-probably
impossible to prove legally. That, of course, is the genius of the
fraud strategy.

In most states where there was a paper trail, exit polls matched the
official tally closely. In states where there was no paper trail, exit
polls diverged widely from official tallies, in Bush's favor in every
instance. The odds against this occurring, absent fraud, are
staggering.

In Florida, exit polls favored Kerry by 0.7%, while Bush officially
won by 5.1%. If the official results had been based o*n exit polls
rather than official tallies from computer voting machines, Kerry
would easily have won a minimum of six more states and the presidency.

The details will no doubt emerge gradually, as the result of
painstaking research. And they will be reported o*nly haphazardly and
dismissively in the mainstream press. The outcome of the election is
unlikely to be changed. However, the lessons we draw from it need to
reflect the reality, not the illusion.

If it is true that Bush won o*nly as a result of massive voting fraud,
then telling people that "we need to work harder to get out the vote
next time" or "we screwed up by not sending a message that resonated
with the electorate" is an insulting misdirection and waste of
everyone's time and attention.

Meanwhile, o*ne party now controls all three branches of government
and the machinery that decides who wins elections. There is every
reason to assume that the Right will use the next months and years to
attempt to destroy the entire infrastructure of environmental,
consumer, and human rights nonprofit organizations in this country.
Who is to stop them?

Wake up folks: democracy in the US is virtually dead. If we want to
revive it, much more will be involved than honing messages and getting
out more voters. For the time being, we are living in a dictatorship.
There is no point in denying the fact and deluding ourselves by
thinking that we still live in a country where the will of the
majority decides anything whatever. o*nly when we have thoroughly
digested the reality of our situation can we hope to come up with an
intelligent strategic response.

For more information:http://www.blackboxvoting.org
http://www.newstarget.com/002076.html
http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=388
http://www.accuracy.org/press_releases/PR062104.htm
http://www.slate.com/Default.aspx?id=2109053&
http://www.washingtondispatch.com/sp...es/000712.html
http://www.journalscape.com/bboerner/2004-11-04-09:30/
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1104-38.htm
http://slate.msn.com/id/2109141/
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/kerry_won_.php

Jas

Uh huh. So now there is a right wing conspiracy across the country and
across industry to take the election from Kerry. Stay in New Zealand. And
get stuffed.

luminos

By the way, even though I don't care for Bush, he won by nearly 4 MILLION
votes.

"luminos" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Uh huh. So now there is a right wing conspiracy across the country and
> across industry to take the election from Kerry. Stay in New Zealand.
> And get stuffed.
>
>

luminos

Hey, YOU STUPID ****, this is a Harley news group take your politics else
ware and DON'T COME ****ING BACK. It is obvious that these political morons
do not have any respect and both the right/left need some manners. Also,
you are a CROSS POSTING **** STICK!!!

HarryS

"Jas" <> wrote in message
news:cmkiqd$dkj$...
>
> "Franklin County's unofficial results had Bush receiving 4,258 votes
> to Democrat John Kerry's 260 votes in a precinct in Gahanna. Records
> show only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct."
>
> http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,26...opstories_html
>
>
> "...a problem with memory cards in North Carolina that caused machines
> made by UniLect to lose 4,500 votes cast on e-voting machines"
>
> "Software made by Election Systems & Software began subtracting votes
> when totals surpassed 32,000"
>
> "Reports from voters in Florida and Ohio also indicated that some of
> them had problems voting for the candidate of their choice. When they
> tried to vote for John Kerry, they said, the machine either wouldn't
> register the vote at all or would indicate on the review page that the
> vote was cast for Bush instead."
>
> http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,26...opstories_html
>
>
> The Exit Polls might not have been so incorrect after all. Get ready
> for the biggest scandal to ever hit american politics, although you
> would have to expect something of this magnitude to be covered up
> pretty darn quickly.
>
> To Those Who Seek Information as a Basis For Action Regarding Bush's
> "Victory":
>
> I examined the discrepancies between the actual vote tabulations as
> reported and the Edison/Mitofsky exit poll results in 47 states, incl.
> D.C.
> (in 4 states-NJ,NY,NC,VA-I did not have early exit poll results available,
> and the later results had already been amended to reflect input of actual
> vote totals, which rendered them corrupt as exit polls and useless for the
> purpose of checking the veracity of actual vote totals).
>
> I noticed an overall red shift (to Bush) across the spectrum of
> states,
> but the shift was significantly nonuniform. Having divided the 47 states
> examined into two groups, 35 noncritical states and 12 critical or suspect
> states (Nebraska included because of ES&S control and prior anomalies even
> though not a battleground state), I calculated that the average
> discrepancy
> in the 35 safe states was a +1.4% red shift, that is the average of the
> vote
> totals in each state was 1.4% more favorable to Bush than what the exit
> polls predicted (= total movement of 2.8%). In the 12 critical states
> (CO,FL,MI,MN,NE,NV,NH,NM,OH,PA,WI,IA) the average discrepancy was a 2.5%
> red
> shift (= total movement of 5.0%), nearly twice that in the safe states.
> This
> in spite of the fact that the average sample size in the critical states
> was
> nearly twice that in the noncritical states and should have produced
> significantly more accurate results.
>
> Further, assuming a 3% margin of error and 95% confidence interval for
> each
> state poll (the standard Mitofksy
> protocol, but a conservative assumption here, since the sample sizes were
> significantly increased in critical states), the red shift exceeded the
> margin of error in 4 of the 12 critical states (and equalled it in a
> fifth).
> The chance of this occurring in 4 of the 12 states in the absence of
> "mistabulation" can be computed using a simple probability equation and is
> approximately 0.002 or one in five-hundred. It's a relatively crude
> analysis and better analysis would have to wait on more complete data, but
> basically what it's telling us is that we can say with 99.8% certainty
> that
> "mistabulation" played some significant role in this election.
>
> From the specific discrepancies in Florida, Ohio, and New Mexico; from
> the amazing voter turnout, which any analyst on truth serum will admit
> should have guaranteed a Kerry victory; from what we know, but the media
> has
> now chosen to forget, about how suspect and partisan the vote counting
> equipment is; and from pieces of circumstantial evidence, such as Bush not
> deigning to campaign in Ohio (crazy unless the fix was in): we can be all
> but certain that another election has been stolen and that the toilet has
> been flushed on our democracy.
>
> Kerry, inanely, has conceded. But the truth remains to be dug out to
> lie in the light and stink in the open air. If we can do no more, let's
> at
> least make sure we don't rest until we have done that.-Jonathan Simon
> (Alliance for Democracy)
> Remember exit polls are quite accurate. Kerry was significantly ahead in
> many areas (in which he lost) when voting machines were used
>
> As one said: "Exit polling is extremely accurate. The pollster is asking
> people that have actually voted. Unless they lie to the pollster, exit
> polling should have been very close."
>
>
>
> No Time for Liberal Self-Recrimination
> By Richard Heinberg
>
> November second was a dark day for the future of our world. Just how
> dark we are likely to find out soon enough.
>
> Like many other people I've since compared notes with, I wandered
> around in a depressed daze Tuesday evening and much of the next day.
> The two questions I asked myself are o*nes that millions were no doubt
> pondering: What can we learn from these events, and where do we go
> from here?
>
> Having spent a couple of days looking at and thinking about the actual
> election results, it seems to me that the answers to these questions
> are going to take a while to emerge. o*ne thing is clear already,
> though: We have to start with a realistic understanding of what
> happened
>
> In the days before the election I anticipated a Bush win, primarily
> because of the numbers of electronic voting machines in place in
> strategic states and counties. At least of a third of voters used
> these new "black box" paperless touch-screen machines; the problems
> with them-their vulnerability to tampering and their inability to
> provide the basis for a verifiable recount, as well as the political
> partisanship of their manufacturers-have been discussed extensively
> for the past two years. I predicted to friends that o*nly a landslide
> vote for Kerry could give him the White House.
>
> On the day of the election, as I learned of the high voter turnout, I
> became guardedly optimistic about a Kerry victory. People rarely vote
> in record numbers merely to endorse the status quo; usually a high
> turnout means that the electorate wants a change. Informal early exit
> polls showed strong numbers for Kerry. Was this the landslide that
> might overwhelm Bush's secret weapon?
>
> Then the official vote counting began, and the news was grim. By
> Wednesday morning everyone was agreed: Bush had won, Kerry had lost.
> The people had spoken.
>
> Within hours, leftist spokespeople were offering radio and newspaper
> commentaries that offered o*ne or both of two rather predictable
> responses. First: the Democrats blew it; they misread the electorate;
> they didn't get out the vote; they didn't put forward a sufficiently
> (fill in the blank) program. Second: We o*n the left need to regroup,
> organize, and hone our message so that it appeals to more voters next
> time around.
>
> It seems to me that both responses are pointless. Why? They miss the
> single most important aspect of the situation.
>
> This election, like the presidential election of 2000 and the
> senatorial elections of 2002, appears to have been stolen.
>
> The evidence of massive voting fraud in this instance is convincing
> but-due to the nature of the voting machines themselves-probably
> impossible to prove legally. That, of course, is the genius of the
> fraud strategy.
>
> In most states where there was a paper trail, exit polls matched the
> official tally closely. In states where there was no paper trail, exit
> polls diverged widely from official tallies, in Bush's favor in every
> instance. The odds against this occurring, absent fraud, are
> staggering.
>
> In Florida, exit polls favored Kerry by 0.7%, while Bush officially
> won by 5.1%. If the official results had been based o*n exit polls
> rather than official tallies from computer voting machines, Kerry
> would easily have won a minimum of six more states and the presidency.
>
> The details will no doubt emerge gradually, as the result of
> painstaking research. And they will be reported o*nly haphazardly and
> dismissively in the mainstream press. The outcome of the election is
> unlikely to be changed. However, the lessons we draw from it need to
> reflect the reality, not the illusion.
>
> If it is true that Bush won o*nly as a result of massive voting fraud,
> then telling people that "we need to work harder to get out the vote
> next time" or "we screwed up by not sending a message that resonated
> with the electorate" is an insulting misdirection and waste of
> everyone's time and attention.
>
> Meanwhile, o*ne party now controls all three branches of government
> and the machinery that decides who wins elections. There is every
> reason to assume that the Right will use the next months and years to
> attempt to destroy the entire infrastructure of environmental,
> consumer, and human rights nonprofit organizations in this country.
> Who is to stop them?
>
> Wake up folks: democracy in the US is virtually dead. If we want to
> revive it, much more will be involved than honing messages and getting
> out more voters. For the time being, we are living in a dictatorship.
> There is no point in denying the fact and deluding ourselves by
> thinking that we still live in a country where the will of the
> majority decides anything whatever. o*nly when we have thoroughly
> digested the reality of our situation can we hope to come up with an
> intelligent strategic response.
>
> For more information:http://www.blackboxvoting.org
> http://www.newstarget.com/002076.html
> http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=388
> http://www.accuracy.org/press_releases/PR062104.htm
> http://www.slate.com/Default.aspx?id=2109053&
> http://www.washingtondispatch.com/sp...es/000712.html
> http://www.journalscape.com/bboerner/2004-11-04-09:30/
> http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1104-38.htm
> http://slate.msn.com/id/2109141/
> http://www.tompaine.com/articles/kerry_won_.php
>
>
>
>
>

HarryS

and now YOU, me and he are top-posting, cross posting **** STICKS

"HarryS" <> wrote in message
news:zsidneFpZoLGYxDcRVn-...
> Hey, YOU STUPID ****, this is a Harley news group take your politics else
> ware and DON'T COME ****ING BACK. It is obvious that these political
morons
> do not have any respect and both the right/left need some manners. Also,
> you are a CROSS POSTING **** STICK!!!
>
> HarryS
>
> "Jas" <> wrote in message
> news:cmkiqd$dkj$...
> >
> > "Franklin County's unofficial results had Bush receiving 4,258 votes
> > to Democrat John Kerry's 260 votes in a precinct in Gahanna. Records
> > show only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct."
> >
> >
http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,26...opstories_html
> >
> >
> > "...a problem with memory cards in North Carolina that caused machines
> > made by UniLect to lose 4,500 votes cast on e-voting machines"
> >
> > "Software made by Election Systems & Software began subtracting votes
> > when totals surpassed 32,000"
> >
> > "Reports from voters in Florida and Ohio also indicated that some of
> > them had problems voting for the candidate of their choice. When they
> > tried to vote for John Kerry, they said, the machine either wouldn't
> > register the vote at all or would indicate on the review page that the
> > vote was cast for Bush instead."
> >
> >
http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,26...opstories_html
> >
> >
> > The Exit Polls might not have been so incorrect after all. Get ready
> > for the biggest scandal to ever hit american politics, although you
> > would have to expect something of this magnitude to be covered up
> > pretty darn quickly.
> >
> > To Those Who Seek Information as a Basis For Action Regarding Bush's
> > "Victory":
> >
> > I examined the discrepancies between the actual vote tabulations as
> > reported and the Edison/Mitofsky exit poll results in 47 states, incl.
> > D.C.
> > (in 4 states-NJ,NY,NC,VA-I did not have early exit poll results
available,
> > and the later results had already been amended to reflect input of
actual
> > vote totals, which rendered them corrupt as exit polls and useless for
the
> > purpose of checking the veracity of actual vote totals).
> >
> > I noticed an overall red shift (to Bush) across the spectrum of
> > states,
> > but the shift was significantly nonuniform. Having divided the 47
states
> > examined into two groups, 35 noncritical states and 12 critical or
suspect
> > states (Nebraska included because of ES&S control and prior anomalies
even
> > though not a battleground state), I calculated that the average
> > discrepancy
> > in the 35 safe states was a +1.4% red shift, that is the average of the
> > vote
> > totals in each state was 1.4% more favorable to Bush than what the exit
> > polls predicted (= total movement of 2.8%). In the 12 critical states
> > (CO,FL,MI,MN,NE,NV,NH,NM,OH,PA,WI,IA) the average discrepancy was a 2.5%
> > red
> > shift (= total movement of 5.0%), nearly twice that in the safe states.
> > This
> > in spite of the fact that the average sample size in the critical states
> > was
> > nearly twice that in the noncritical states and should have produced
> > significantly more accurate results.
> >
> > Further, assuming a 3% margin of error and 95% confidence interval for
> > each
> > state poll (the standard Mitofksy
> > protocol, but a conservative assumption here, since the sample sizes
were
> > significantly increased in critical states), the red shift exceeded the
> > margin of error in 4 of the 12 critical states (and equalled it in a
> > fifth).
> > The chance of this occurring in 4 of the 12 states in the absence of
> > "mistabulation" can be computed using a simple probability equation and
is
> > approximately 0.002 or one in five-hundred. It's a relatively crude
> > analysis and better analysis would have to wait on more complete data,
but
> > basically what it's telling us is that we can say with 99.8% certainty
> > that
> > "mistabulation" played some significant role in this election.
> >
> > From the specific discrepancies in Florida, Ohio, and New Mexico;
from
> > the amazing voter turnout, which any analyst on truth serum will admit
> > should have guaranteed a Kerry victory; from what we know, but the media
> > has
> > now chosen to forget, about how suspect and partisan the vote counting
> > equipment is; and from pieces of circumstantial evidence, such as Bush
not
> > deigning to campaign in Ohio (crazy unless the fix was in): we can be
all
> > but certain that another election has been stolen and that the toilet
has
> > been flushed on our democracy.
> >
> > Kerry, inanely, has conceded. But the truth remains to be dug out
to
> > lie in the light and stink in the open air. If we can do no more, let's
> > at
> > least make sure we don't rest until we have done that.-Jonathan Simon
> > (Alliance for Democracy)
> > Remember exit polls are quite accurate. Kerry was significantly ahead in
> > many areas (in which he lost) when voting machines were used
> >
> > As one said: "Exit polling is extremely accurate. The pollster is
asking
> > people that have actually voted. Unless they lie to the pollster, exit
> > polling should have been very close."
> >
> >
> >
> > No Time for Liberal Self-Recrimination
> > By Richard Heinberg
> >
> > November second was a dark day for the future of our world. Just how
> > dark we are likely to find out soon enough.
> >
> > Like many other people I've since compared notes with, I wandered
> > around in a depressed daze Tuesday evening and much of the next day.
> > The two questions I asked myself are o*nes that millions were no doubt
> > pondering: What can we learn from these events, and where do we go
> > from here?
> >
> > Having spent a couple of days looking at and thinking about the actual
> > election results, it seems to me that the answers to these questions
> > are going to take a while to emerge. o*ne thing is clear already,
> > though: We have to start with a realistic understanding of what
> > happened
> >
> > In the days before the election I anticipated a Bush win, primarily
> > because of the numbers of electronic voting machines in place in
> > strategic states and counties. At least of a third of voters used
> > these new "black box" paperless touch-screen machines; the problems
> > with them-their vulnerability to tampering and their inability to
> > provide the basis for a verifiable recount, as well as the political
> > partisanship of their manufacturers-have been discussed extensively
> > for the past two years. I predicted to friends that o*nly a landslide
> > vote for Kerry could give him the White House.
> >
> > On the day of the election, as I learned of the high voter turnout, I
> > became guardedly optimistic about a Kerry victory. People rarely vote
> > in record numbers merely to endorse the status quo; usually a high
> > turnout means that the electorate wants a change. Informal early exit
> > polls showed strong numbers for Kerry. Was this the landslide that
> > might overwhelm Bush's secret weapon?
> >
> > Then the official vote counting began, and the news was grim. By
> > Wednesday morning everyone was agreed: Bush had won, Kerry had lost.
> > The people had spoken.
> >
> > Within hours, leftist spokespeople were offering radio and newspaper
> > commentaries that offered o*ne or both of two rather predictable
> > responses. First: the Democrats blew it; they misread the electorate;
> > they didn't get out the vote; they didn't put forward a sufficiently
> > (fill in the blank) program. Second: We o*n the left need to regroup,
> > organize, and hone our message so that it appeals to more voters next
> > time around.
> >
> > It seems to me that both responses are pointless. Why? They miss the
> > single most important aspect of the situation.
> >
> > This election, like the presidential election of 2000 and the
> > senatorial elections of 2002, appears to have been stolen.
> >
> > The evidence of massive voting fraud in this instance is convincing
> > but-due to the nature of the voting machines themselves-probably
> > impossible to prove legally. That, of course, is the genius of the
> > fraud strategy.
> >
> > In most states where there was a paper trail, exit polls matched the
> > official tally closely. In states where there was no paper trail, exit
> > polls diverged widely from official tallies, in Bush's favor in every
> > instance. The odds against this occurring, absent fraud, are
> > staggering.
> >
> > In Florida, exit polls favored Kerry by 0.7%, while Bush officially
> > won by 5.1%. If the official results had been based o*n exit polls
> > rather than official tallies from computer voting machines, Kerry
> > would easily have won a minimum of six more states and the presidency.
> >
> > The details will no doubt emerge gradually, as the result of
> > painstaking research. And they will be reported o*nly haphazardly and
> > dismissively in the mainstream press. The outcome of the election is
> > unlikely to be changed. However, the lessons we draw from it need to
> > reflect the reality, not the illusion.
> >
> > If it is true that Bush won o*nly as a result of massive voting fraud,
> > then telling people that "we need to work harder to get out the vote
> > next time" or "we screwed up by not sending a message that resonated
> > with the electorate" is an insulting misdirection and waste of
> > everyone's time and attention.
> >
> > Meanwhile, o*ne party now controls all three branches of government
> > and the machinery that decides who wins elections. There is every
> > reason to assume that the Right will use the next months and years to
> > attempt to destroy the entire infrastructure of environmental,
> > consumer, and human rights nonprofit organizations in this country.
> > Who is to stop them?
> >
> > Wake up folks: democracy in the US is virtually dead. If we want to
> > revive it, much more will be involved than honing messages and getting
> > out more voters. For the time being, we are living in a dictatorship.
> > There is no point in denying the fact and deluding ourselves by
> > thinking that we still live in a country where the will of the
> > majority decides anything whatever. o*nly when we have thoroughly
> > digested the reality of our situation can we hope to come up with an
> > intelligent strategic response.
> >
> > For more information:http://www.blackboxvoting.org
> > http://www.newstarget.com/002076.html
> > http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=388
> > http://www.accuracy.org/press_releases/PR062104.htm
> > http://www.slate.com/Default.aspx?id=2109053&
> > http://www.washingtondispatch.com/sp...es/000712.html
> > http://www.journalscape.com/bboerner/2004-11-04-09:30/
> > http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1104-38.htm
> > http://slate.msn.com/id/2109141/
> > http://www.tompaine.com/articles/kerry_won_.php
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Pan-o-rama-tard

X-No-archive: yes

"Jas" <> wrote in message
news:cmkiqd$dkj$...
>
====================
Just make sure to put lots of aluminum foil on all your windows!

Richard C.

"Pan-o-rama-tard" <> wrote in message
news:...
> and now YOU, me and he are top-posting, cross posting **** STICKS
>
> "HarryS" <> wrote in message
> news:zsidneFpZoLGYxDcRVn-...
> > Hey, YOU STUPID ****, this is a Harley news group take your politics
else
> > ware and DON'T COME ****ING BACK. It is obvious that these political
> morons
> > do not have any respect and both the right/left need some manners.
Also,
> > you are a CROSS POSTING **** STICK!!!

I'm back big boy...what are you going to do about it ?

Hey..you know this is egging me on!

"Franklin County's unofficial results had Bush receiving 4,258 votes
to Democrat John Kerry's 260 votes in a precinct in Gahanna. Records
show only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct."

http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,26...opstories_html


"...a problem with memory cards in North Carolina that caused machines
made by UniLect to lose 4,500 votes cast on e-voting machines"

"Software made by Election Systems & Software began subtracting votes
when totals surpassed 32,000"

"Reports from voters in Florida and Ohio also indicated that some of
them had problems voting for the candidate of their choice. When they
tried to vote for John Kerry, they said, the machine either wouldn't
register the vote at all or would indicate on the review page that the
vote was cast for Bush instead."

http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,26...opstories_html


The Exit Polls might not have been so incorrect after all. Get ready
for the biggest scandal to ever hit american politics, although you
would have to expect something of this magnitude to be covered up
pretty darn quickly.

To Those Who Seek Information as a Basis For Action Regarding Bush's
"Victory":

I examined the discrepancies between the actual vote tabulations as
reported and the Edison/Mitofsky exit poll results in 47 states, incl. D.C.
(in 4 states-NJ,NY,NC,VA-I did not have early exit poll results available,
and the later results had already been amended to reflect input of actual
vote totals, which rendered them corrupt as exit polls and useless for the
purpose of checking the veracity of actual vote totals).

I noticed an overall red shift (to Bush) across the spectrum of states,
but the shift was significantly nonuniform. Having divided the 47 states
examined into two groups, 35 noncritical states and 12 critical or suspect
states (Nebraska included because of ES&S control and prior anomalies even
though not a battleground state), I calculated that the average discrepancy
in the 35 safe states was a +1.4% red shift, that is the average of the vote
totals in each state was 1.4% more favorable to Bush than what the exit
polls predicted (= total movement of 2.8%). In the 12 critical states
(CO,FL,MI,MN,NE,NV,NH,NM,OH,PA,WI,IA) the average discrepancy was a 2.5% red
shift (= total movement of 5.0%), nearly twice that in the safe states. This
in spite of the fact that the average sample size in the critical states was
nearly twice that in the noncritical states and should have produced
significantly more accurate results.

Further, assuming a 3% margin of error and 95% confidence interval for each
state poll (the standard Mitofksy
protocol, but a conservative assumption here, since the sample sizes were
significantly increased in critical states), the red shift exceeded the
margin of error in 4 of the 12 critical states (and equalled it in a fifth).
The chance of this occurring in 4 of the 12 states in the absence of
"mistabulation" can be computed using a simple probability equation and is
approximately 0.002 or one in five-hundred. It's a relatively crude
analysis and better analysis would have to wait on more complete data, but
basically what it's telling us is that we can say with 99.8% certainty that
"mistabulation" played some significant role in this election.

From the specific discrepancies in Florida, Ohio, and New Mexico; from
the amazing voter turnout, which any analyst on truth serum will admit
should have guaranteed a Kerry victory; from what we know, but the media has
now chosen to forget, about how suspect and partisan the vote counting
equipment is; and from pieces of circumstantial evidence, such as Bush not
deigning to campaign in Ohio (crazy unless the fix was in): we can be all
but certain that another election has been stolen and that the toilet has
been flushed on our democracy.

Kerry, inanely, has conceded. But the truth remains to be dug out to
lie in the light and stink in the open air. If we can do no more, let's at
least make sure we don't rest until we have done that.-Jonathan Simon
(Alliance for Democracy)
Remember exit polls are quite accurate. Kerry was significantly ahead in
many areas (in which he lost) when voting machines were used

As one said: "Exit polling is extremely accurate. The pollster is asking
people that have actually voted. Unless they lie to the pollster, exit
polling should have been very close."



No Time for Liberal Self-Recrimination
By Richard Heinberg

November second was a dark day for the future of our world. Just how
dark we are likely to find out soon enough.

Like many other people I've since compared notes with, I wandered
around in a depressed daze Tuesday evening and much of the next day.
The two questions I asked myself are o*nes that millions were no doubt
pondering: What can we learn from these events, and where do we go
from here?

Having spent a couple of days looking at and thinking about the actual
election results, it seems to me that the answers to these questions
are going to take a while to emerge. o*ne thing is clear already,
though: We have to start with a realistic understanding of what
happened

In the days before the election I anticipated a Bush win, primarily
because of the numbers of electronic voting machines in place in
strategic states and counties. At least of a third of voters used
these new "black box" paperless touch-screen machines; the problems
with them-their vulnerability to tampering and their inability to
provide the basis for a verifiable recount, as well as the political
partisanship of their manufacturers-have been discussed extensively
for the past two years. I predicted to friends that o*nly a landslide
vote for Kerry could give him the White House.

On the day of the election, as I learned of the high voter turnout, I
became guardedly optimistic about a Kerry victory. People rarely vote
in record numbers merely to endorse the status quo; usually a high
turnout means that the electorate wants a change. Informal early exit
polls showed strong numbers for Kerry. Was this the landslide that
might overwhelm Bush's secret weapon?

Then the official vote counting began, and the news was grim. By
Wednesday morning everyone was agreed: Bush had won, Kerry had lost.
The people had spoken.

Within hours, leftist spokespeople were offering radio and newspaper
commentaries that offered o*ne or both of two rather predictable
responses. First: the Democrats blew it; they misread the electorate;
they didn't get out the vote; they didn't put forward a sufficiently
(fill in the blank) program. Second: We o*n the left need to regroup,
organize, and hone our message so that it appeals to more voters next
time around.

It seems to me that both responses are pointless. Why? They miss the
single most important aspect of the situation.

This election, like the presidential election of 2000 and the
senatorial elections of 2002, appears to have been stolen.

The evidence of massive voting fraud in this instance is convincing
but-due to the nature of the voting machines themselves-probably
impossible to prove legally. That, of course, is the genius of the
fraud strategy.

In most states where there was a paper trail, exit polls matched the
official tally closely. In states where there was no paper trail, exit
polls diverged widely from official tallies, in Bush's favor in every
instance. The odds against this occurring, absent fraud, are
staggering.

In Florida, exit polls favored Kerry by 0.7%, while Bush officially
won by 5.1%. If the official results had been based o*n exit polls
rather than official tallies from computer voting machines, Kerry
would easily have won a minimum of six more states and the presidency.

The details will no doubt emerge gradually, as the result of
painstaking research. And they will be reported o*nly haphazardly and
dismissively in the mainstream press. The outcome of the election is
unlikely to be changed. However, the lessons we draw from it need to
reflect the reality, not the illusion.

If it is true that Bush won o*nly as a result of massive voting fraud,
then telling people that "we need to work harder to get out the vote
next time" or "we screwed up by not sending a message that resonated
with the electorate" is an insulting misdirection and waste of
everyone's time and attention.

Meanwhile, o*ne party now controls all three branches of government
and the machinery that decides who wins elections. There is every
reason to assume that the Right will use the next months and years to
attempt to destroy the entire infrastructure of environmental,
consumer, and human rights nonprofit organizations in this country.
Who is to stop them?

Wake up folks: democracy in the US is virtually dead. If we want to
revive it, much more will be involved than honing messages and getting
out more voters. For the time being, we are living in a dictatorship.
There is no point in denying the fact and deluding ourselves by
thinking that we still live in a country where the will of the
majority decides anything whatever. o*nly when we have thoroughly
digested the reality of our situation can we hope to come up with an
intelligent strategic response.

For more information:http://www.blackboxvoting.org
http://www.newstarget.com/002076.html
http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=388
http://www.accuracy.org/press_releases/PR062104.htm
http://www.slate.com/Default.aspx?id=2109053&
http://www.washingtondispatch.com/sp...es/000712.html
http://www.journalscape.com/bboerner/2004-11-04-09:30/
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1104-38.htm
http://slate.msn.com/id/2109141/
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/kerry_won_.php








> > HarryS
> >
> > "Jas" <> wrote in message
> > news:cmkiqd$dkj$...
> > >
> > > "Franklin County's unofficial results had Bush receiving 4,258 votes
> > > to Democrat John Kerry's 260 votes in a precinct in Gahanna. Records
> > > show only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct."
> > >
> > >
>
http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,26...opstories_html
> > >
> > >
> > > "...a problem with memory cards in North Carolina that caused machines
> > > made by UniLect to lose 4,500 votes cast on e-voting machines"
> > >
> > > "Software made by Election Systems & Software began subtracting votes
> > > when totals surpassed 32,000"
> > >
> > > "Reports from voters in Florida and Ohio also indicated that some of
> > > them had problems voting for the candidate of their choice. When they
> > > tried to vote for John Kerry, they said, the machine either wouldn't
> > > register the vote at all or would indicate on the review page that the
> > > vote was cast for Bush instead."
> > >
> > >
>
http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,26...opstories_html
> > >
> > >
> > > The Exit Polls might not have been so incorrect after all. Get ready
> > > for the biggest scandal to ever hit american politics, although you
> > > would have to expect something of this magnitude to be covered up
> > > pretty darn quickly.
> > >
> > > To Those Who Seek Information as a Basis For Action Regarding Bush's
> > > "Victory":
> > >
> > > I examined the discrepancies between the actual vote tabulations
as
> > > reported and the Edison/Mitofsky exit poll results in 47 states, incl.
> > > D.C.
> > > (in 4 states-NJ,NY,NC,VA-I did not have early exit poll results
> available,
> > > and the later results had already been amended to reflect input of
> actual
> > > vote totals, which rendered them corrupt as exit polls and useless for
> the
> > > purpose of checking the veracity of actual vote totals).
> > >
> > > I noticed an overall red shift (to Bush) across the spectrum of
> > > states,
> > > but the shift was significantly nonuniform. Having divided the 47
> states
> > > examined into two groups, 35 noncritical states and 12 critical or
> suspect
> > > states (Nebraska included because of ES&S control and prior anomalies
> even
> > > though not a battleground state), I calculated that the average
> > > discrepancy
> > > in the 35 safe states was a +1.4% red shift, that is the average of
the
> > > vote
> > > totals in each state was 1.4% more favorable to Bush than what the
exit
> > > polls predicted (= total movement of 2.8%). In the 12 critical states
> > > (CO,FL,MI,MN,NE,NV,NH,NM,OH,PA,WI,IA) the average discrepancy was a
2.5%
> > > red
> > > shift (= total movement of 5.0%), nearly twice that in the safe
states.
> > > This
> > > in spite of the fact that the average sample size in the critical
states
> > > was
> > > nearly twice that in the noncritical states and should have produced
> > > significantly more accurate results.
> > >
> > > Further, assuming a 3% margin of error and 95% confidence interval for
> > > each
> > > state poll (the standard Mitofksy
> > > protocol, but a conservative assumption here, since the sample sizes
> were
> > > significantly increased in critical states), the red shift exceeded
the
> > > margin of error in 4 of the 12 critical states (and equalled it in a
> > > fifth).
> > > The chance of this occurring in 4 of the 12 states in the absence of
> > > "mistabulation" can be computed using a simple probability equation
and
> is
> > > approximately 0.002 or one in five-hundred. It's a relatively crude
> > > analysis and better analysis would have to wait on more complete data,
> but
> > > basically what it's telling us is that we can say with 99.8% certainty
> > > that
> > > "mistabulation" played some significant role in this election.
> > >
> > > From the specific discrepancies in Florida, Ohio, and New Mexico;
> from
> > > the amazing voter turnout, which any analyst on truth serum will admit
> > > should have guaranteed a Kerry victory; from what we know, but the
media
> > > has
> > > now chosen to forget, about how suspect and partisan the vote counting
> > > equipment is; and from pieces of circumstantial evidence, such as Bush
> not
> > > deigning to campaign in Ohio (crazy unless the fix was in): we can be
> all
> > > but certain that another election has been stolen and that the toilet
> has
> > > been flushed on our democracy.
> > >
> > > Kerry, inanely, has conceded. But the truth remains to be dug out
> to
> > > lie in the light and stink in the open air. If we can do no more,
let's
> > > at
> > > least make sure we don't rest until we have done that.-Jonathan Simon
> > > (Alliance for Democracy)
> > > Remember exit polls are quite accurate. Kerry was significantly ahead
in
> > > many areas (in which he lost) when voting machines were used
> > >
> > > As one said: "Exit polling is extremely accurate. The pollster is
> asking
> > > people that have actually voted. Unless they lie to the pollster,
exit
> > > polling should have been very close."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > No Time for Liberal Self-Recrimination
> > > By Richard Heinberg
> > >
> > > November second was a dark day for the future of our world. Just how
> > > dark we are likely to find out soon enough.
> > >
> > > Like many other people I've since compared notes with, I wandered
> > > around in a depressed daze Tuesday evening and much of the next day.
> > > The two questions I asked myself are o*nes that millions were no doubt
> > > pondering: What can we learn from these events, and where do we go
> > > from here?
> > >
> > > Having spent a couple of days looking at and thinking about the actual
> > > election results, it seems to me that the answers to these questions
> > > are going to take a while to emerge. o*ne thing is clear already,
> > > though: We have to start with a realistic understanding of what
> > > happened
> > >
> > > In the days before the election I anticipated a Bush win, primarily
> > > because of the numbers of electronic voting machines in place in
> > > strategic states and counties. At least of a third of voters used
> > > these new "black box" paperless touch-screen machines; the problems
> > > with them-their vulnerability to tampering and their inability to
> > > provide the basis for a verifiable recount, as well as the political
> > > partisanship of their manufacturers-have been discussed extensively
> > > for the past two years. I predicted to friends that o*nly a landslide
> > > vote for Kerry could give him the White House.
> > >
> > > On the day of the election, as I learned of the high voter turnout, I
> > > became guardedly optimistic about a Kerry victory. People rarely vote
> > > in record numbers merely to endorse the status quo; usually a high
> > > turnout means that the electorate wants a change. Informal early exit
> > > polls showed strong numbers for Kerry. Was this the landslide that
> > > might overwhelm Bush's secret weapon?
> > >
> > > Then the official vote counting began, and the news was grim. By
> > > Wednesday morning everyone was agreed: Bush had won, Kerry had lost.
> > > The people had spoken.
> > >
> > > Within hours, leftist spokespeople were offering radio and newspaper
> > > commentaries that offered o*ne or both of two rather predictable
> > > responses. First: the Democrats blew it; they misread the electorate;
> > > they didn't get out the vote; they didn't put forward a sufficiently
> > > (fill in the blank) program. Second: We o*n the left need to regroup,
> > > organize, and hone our message so that it appeals to more voters next
> > > time around.
> > >
> > > It seems to me that both responses are pointless. Why? They miss the
> > > single most important aspect of the situation.
> > >
> > > This election, like the presidential election of 2000 and the
> > > senatorial elections of 2002, appears to have been stolen.
> > >
> > > The evidence of massive voting fraud in this instance is convincing
> > > but-due to the nature of the voting machines themselves-probably
> > > impossible to prove legally. That, of course, is the genius of the
> > > fraud strategy.
> > >
> > > In most states where there was a paper trail, exit polls matched the
> > > official tally closely. In states where there was no paper trail, exit
> > > polls diverged widely from official tallies, in Bush's favor in every
> > > instance. The odds against this occurring, absent fraud, are
> > > staggering.
> > >
> > > In Florida, exit polls favored Kerry by 0.7%, while Bush officially
> > > won by 5.1%. If the official results had been based o*n exit polls
> > > rather than official tallies from computer voting machines, Kerry
> > > would easily have won a minimum of six more states and the presidency.
> > >
> > > The details will no doubt emerge gradually, as the result of
> > > painstaking research. And they will be reported o*nly haphazardly and
> > > dismissively in the mainstream press. The outcome of the election is
> > > unlikely to be changed. However, the lessons we draw from it need to
> > > reflect the reality, not the illusion.
> > >
> > > If it is true that Bush won o*nly as a result of massive voting fraud,
> > > then telling people that "we need to work harder to get out the vote
> > > next time" or "we screwed up by not sending a message that resonated
> > > with the electorate" is an insulting misdirection and waste of
> > > everyone's time and attention.
> > >
> > > Meanwhile, o*ne party now controls all three branches of government
> > > and the machinery that decides who wins elections. There is every
> > > reason to assume that the Right will use the next months and years to
> > > attempt to destroy the entire infrastructure of environmental,
> > > consumer, and human rights nonprofit organizations in this country.
> > > Who is to stop them?
> > >
> > > Wake up folks: democracy in the US is virtually dead. If we want to
> > > revive it, much more will be involved than honing messages and getting
> > > out more voters. For the time being, we are living in a dictatorship.
> > > There is no point in denying the fact and deluding ourselves by
> > > thinking that we still live in a country where the will of the
> > > majority decides anything whatever. o*nly when we have thoroughly
> > > digested the reality of our situation can we hope to come up with an
> > > intelligent strategic response.
> > >
> > > For more information:http://www.blackboxvoting.org
> > > http://www.newstarget.com/002076.html
> > > http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=388
> > > http://www.accuracy.org/press_releases/PR062104.htm
> > > http://www.slate.com/Default.aspx?id=2109053&
> > > http://www.washingtondispatch.com/sp...es/000712.html
> > > http://www.journalscape.com/bboerner/2004-11-04-09:30/
> > > http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1104-38.htm
> > > http://slate.msn.com/id/2109141/
> > > http://www.tompaine.com/articles/kerry_won_.php
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Jas

"luminos" <> wrote in message
news:...
> By the way, even though I don't care for Bush, he won by nearly 4 MILLION
> votes.


Possibly... IF the fixing of the voting machines is untrue - he did win by
about 3%! Then again 40% of the poulation did not vote with a 60% turn-out
....about 30% less than many democracies.

By the way I'm returning to the US soon.


>
> "luminos" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > Uh huh. So now there is a right wing conspiracy across the country and
> > across industry to take the election from Kerry. Stay in New Zealand.
> > And get stuffed.
> >
> >
>
>

Jas

"luminos" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Uh huh. So now there is a right wing conspiracy across the country and
> across industry to take the election from Kerry. Stay in New Zealand.
And
> get stuffed.

No there are

Election fraud happens... on both sides. This is a given.


Either there was wholesale lying in the exit polls (polls taken from those
leaving the poling booths) in the elctronic voting many preceints which
showed Kerry signficantly ahead, or the "black box" electronic voting
(without a paper trail) was tainted, not working correctly...or, yes there
was a conspiracy. Conspiracies do happen. Sometimes, as in Watergate, "they"
get caught.

This one might turn into a Watergate...or may not.

"Reports of extra votes for Bush from electronic voting machines continued
to mount. An error with an electronic voting system gave President George W.
Bush 3,893 extra votes in suburban Columbus, elections officials said.[+]
Voters in Florida and elsewhere reported on Election Day that machines would
not register votes for Kerry, according to CNN.[+] TomPaine.com speculated
that a majority of voters in Ohio and New Mexico chose Kerry, but many
Democratic votes were not counted by Republican elections officials in those
states.[+] Slate provided a guide for U.S. citizens planning a move to
Canada.[+] The electoral-vote.com Votemaster revealed that he is Andrew
Tanenbaum, a professor of computer science at the Vrije Universiteit in
Amsterdam, The Netherlands.[+] Eminem urged those opposed to Bush to
vote.[+] The New York Times posted an excellent interactive on-line map of
election results."

http://www.usabroad.org/2004/11/the_electoralvo.html

BlackboxVoting.org Claims Election Fraud
From BlackBoxVoting.org

If you are concerned about what happened Tuesday, Nov. 2, you have found a
home with our organization. Help America Audit.

Black Box Voting has taken the position that fraud took place in the 2004
election through electronic voting machines. We base this on hard evidence,
documents obtained in public records requests, inside information, and other
data indicative of manipulation of electronic voting systems. What we do not
know is the specific scope of the fraud. We are working now to compile the
proof, based not on soft evidence -- red flags, exit polls -- but core
documents obtained by Black Box Voting in the most massive Freedom of
Information action in history.

We need: Lawyers to enforce public records laws. Some counties have already
notified us that they plan to stonewall by delaying delivery of the records.
We need citizen volunteers for a number of specific actions. We need
computer security professionals willing to GO PUBLIC with formal opinions on
the evidence we provide, whether or not it involves DMCA complications. We
need funds to pay for copies of the evidence.


>
>

Jas

hey, bush sucks and so do harleys! get a real bike!

"HarryS" <> wrote in message
news:zsidneFpZoLGYxDcRVn-...
> Hey, YOU STUPID ****, this is a Harley news group take your politics else
> ware and DON'T COME ****ING BACK. It is obvious that these political
> morons do not have any respect and both the right/left need some manners.
> Also, you are a CROSS POSTING **** STICK!!!
>
> HarryS
>
> "Jas" <> wrote in message
> news:cmkiqd$dkj$...
>>
>> "Franklin County's unofficial results had Bush receiving 4,258 votes
>> to Democrat John Kerry's 260 votes in a precinct in Gahanna. Records
>> show only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct."
>>
>> http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,26...opstories_html
>>
>>
>> "...a problem with memory cards in North Carolina that caused machines
>> made by UniLect to lose 4,500 votes cast on e-voting machines"
>>
>> "Software made by Election Systems & Software began subtracting votes
>> when totals surpassed 32,000"
>>
>> "Reports from voters in Florida and Ohio also indicated that some of
>> them had problems voting for the candidate of their choice. When they
>> tried to vote for John Kerry, they said, the machine either wouldn't
>> register the vote at all or would indicate on the review page that the
>> vote was cast for Bush instead."
>>
>> http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,26...opstories_html
>>
>>
>> The Exit Polls might not have been so incorrect after all. Get ready
>> for the biggest scandal to ever hit american politics, although you
>> would have to expect something of this magnitude to be covered up
>> pretty darn quickly.
>>
>> To Those Who Seek Information as a Basis For Action Regarding Bush's
>> "Victory":
>>
>> I examined the discrepancies between the actual vote tabulations as
>> reported and the Edison/Mitofsky exit poll results in 47 states, incl.
>> D.C.
>> (in 4 states-NJ,NY,NC,VA-I did not have early exit poll results
>> available,
>> and the later results had already been amended to reflect input of actual
>> vote totals, which rendered them corrupt as exit polls and useless for
>> the
>> purpose of checking the veracity of actual vote totals).
>>
>> I noticed an overall red shift (to Bush) across the spectrum of
>> states,
>> but the shift was significantly nonuniform. Having divided the 47 states
>> examined into two groups, 35 noncritical states and 12 critical or
>> suspect
>> states (Nebraska included because of ES&S control and prior anomalies
>> even
>> though not a battleground state), I calculated that the average
>> discrepancy
>> in the 35 safe states was a +1.4% red shift, that is the average of the
>> vote
>> totals in each state was 1.4% more favorable to Bush than what the exit
>> polls predicted (= total movement of 2.8%). In the 12 critical states
>> (CO,FL,MI,MN,NE,NV,NH,NM,OH,PA,WI,IA) the average discrepancy was a 2.5%
>> red
>> shift (= total movement of 5.0%), nearly twice that in the safe states.
>> This
>> in spite of the fact that the average sample size in the critical states
>> was
>> nearly twice that in the noncritical states and should have produced
>> significantly more accurate results.
>>
>> Further, assuming a 3% margin of error and 95% confidence interval for
>> each
>> state poll (the standard Mitofksy
>> protocol, but a conservative assumption here, since the sample sizes were
>> significantly increased in critical states), the red shift exceeded the
>> margin of error in 4 of the 12 critical states (and equalled it in a
>> fifth).
>> The chance of this occurring in 4 of the 12 states in the absence of
>> "mistabulation" can be computed using a simple probability equation and
>> is
>> approximately 0.002 or one in five-hundred. It's a relatively crude
>> analysis and better analysis would have to wait on more complete data,
>> but
>> basically what it's telling us is that we can say with 99.8% certainty
>> that
>> "mistabulation" played some significant role in this election.
>>
>> From the specific discrepancies in Florida, Ohio, and New Mexico;
>> from
>> the amazing voter turnout, which any analyst on truth serum will admit
>> should have guaranteed a Kerry victory; from what we know, but the media
>> has
>> now chosen to forget, about how suspect and partisan the vote counting
>> equipment is; and from pieces of circumstantial evidence, such as Bush
>> not
>> deigning to campaign in Ohio (crazy unless the fix was in): we can be all
>> but certain that another election has been stolen and that the toilet has
>> been flushed on our democracy.
>>
>> Kerry, inanely, has conceded. But the truth remains to be dug out to
>> lie in the light and stink in the open air. If we can do no more, let's
>> at
>> least make sure we don't rest until we have done that.-Jonathan Simon
>> (Alliance for Democracy)
>> Remember exit polls are quite accurate. Kerry was significantly ahead in
>> many areas (in which he lost) when voting machines were used
>>
>> As one said: "Exit polling is extremely accurate. The pollster is asking
>> people that have actually voted. Unless they lie to the pollster, exit
>> polling should have been very close."
>>
>>
>>
>> No Time for Liberal Self-Recrimination
>> By Richard Heinberg
>>
>> November second was a dark day for the future of our world. Just how
>> dark we are likely to find out soon enough.
>>
>> Like many other people I've since compared notes with, I wandered
>> around in a depressed daze Tuesday evening and much of the next day.
>> The two questions I asked myself are o*nes that millions were no doubt
>> pondering: What can we learn from these events, and where do we go
>> from here?
>>
>> Having spent a couple of days looking at and thinking about the actual
>> election results, it seems to me that the answers to these questions
>> are going to take a while to emerge. o*ne thing is clear already,
>> though: We have to start with a realistic understanding of what
>> happened
>>
>> In the days before the election I anticipated a Bush win, primarily
>> because of the numbers of electronic voting machines in place in
>> strategic states and counties. At least of a third of voters used
>> these new "black box" paperless touch-screen machines; the problems
>> with them-their vulnerability to tampering and their inability to
>> provide the basis for a verifiable recount, as well as the political
>> partisanship of their manufacturers-have been discussed extensively
>> for the past two years. I predicted to friends that o*nly a landslide
>> vote for Kerry could give him the White House.
>>
>> On the day of the election, as I learned of the high voter turnout, I
>> became guardedly optimistic about a Kerry victory. People rarely vote
>> in record numbers merely to endorse the status quo; usually a high
>> turnout means that the electorate wants a change. Informal early exit
>> polls showed strong numbers for Kerry. Was this the landslide that
>> might overwhelm Bush's secret weapon?
>>
>> Then the official vote counting began, and the news was grim. By
>> Wednesday morning everyone was agreed: Bush had won, Kerry had lost.
>> The people had spoken.
>>
>> Within hours, leftist spokespeople were offering radio and newspaper
>> commentaries that offered o*ne or both of two rather predictable
>> responses. First: the Democrats blew it; they misread the electorate;
>> they didn't get out the vote; they didn't put forward a sufficiently
>> (fill in the blank) program. Second: We o*n the left need to regroup,
>> organize, and hone our message so that it appeals to more voters next
>> time around.
>>
>> It seems to me that both responses are pointless. Why? They miss the
>> single most important aspect of the situation.
>>
>> This election, like the presidential election of 2000 and the
>> senatorial elections of 2002, appears to have been stolen.
>>
>> The evidence of massive voting fraud in this instance is convincing
>> but-due to the nature of the voting machines themselves-probably
>> impossible to prove legally. That, of course, is the genius of the
>> fraud strategy.
>>
>> In most states where there was a paper trail, exit polls matched the
>> official tally closely. In states where there was no paper trail, exit
>> polls diverged widely from official tallies, in Bush's favor in every
>> instance. The odds against this occurring, absent fraud, are
>> staggering.
>>
>> In Florida, exit polls favored Kerry by 0.7%, while Bush officially
>> won by 5.1%. If the official results had been based o*n exit polls
>> rather than official tallies from computer voting machines, Kerry
>> would easily have won a minimum of six more states and the presidency.
>>
>> The details will no doubt emerge gradually, as the result of
>> painstaking research. And they will be reported o*nly haphazardly and
>> dismissively in the mainstream press. The outcome of the election is
>> unlikely to be changed. However, the lessons we draw from it need to
>> reflect the reality, not the illusion.
>>
>> If it is true that Bush won o*nly as a result of massive voting fraud,
>> then telling people that "we need to work harder to get out the vote
>> next time" or "we screwed up by not sending a message that resonated
>> with the electorate" is an insulting misdirection and waste of
>> everyone's time and attention.
>>
>> Meanwhile, o*ne party now controls all three branches of government
>> and the machinery that decides who wins elections. There is every
>> reason to assume that the Right will use the next months and years to
>> attempt to destroy the entire infrastructure of environmental,
>> consumer, and human rights nonprofit organizations in this country.
>> Who is to stop them?
>>
>> Wake up folks: democracy in the US is virtually dead. If we want to
>> revive it, much more will be involved than honing messages and getting
>> out more voters. For the time being, we are living in a dictatorship.
>> There is no point in denying the fact and deluding ourselves by
>> thinking that we still live in a country where the will of the
>> majority decides anything whatever. o*nly when we have thoroughly
>> digested the reality of our situation can we hope to come up with an
>> intelligent strategic response.
>>
>> For more information:http://www.blackboxvoting.org
>> http://www.newstarget.com/002076.html
>> http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=388
>> http://www.accuracy.org/press_releases/PR062104.htm
>> http://www.slate.com/Default.aspx?id=2109053&
>> http://www.washingtondispatch.com/sp...es/000712.html
>> http://www.journalscape.com/bboerner/2004-11-04-09:30/
>> http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1104-38.htm
>> http://slate.msn.com/id/2109141/
>> http://www.tompaine.com/articles/kerry_won_.php
>>
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bill