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Uncle Milty
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      08-19-2004
Any thoughts from those who have picked up this release? I watched it the
other night, and I thought the picture was passable. I didn't have the earlier
dvd, just the LD. Basically, while my TV and 5.1 system are far from
top-of-the-line, I kept thinking that this movie should look and sound better
than it does. But it was reasonably acceptable (dimly lit scenes came across a
bit too dark I thought).
 
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One-Shot Scot
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      08-20-2004
"Uncle Milty" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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<<Any thoughts from those who have picked up this release? I watched it
the other night, and I thought the picture was passable. I didn't have
the earlier dvd, just the LD. Basically, while my TV and 5.1 system are
far from top-of-the-line, I kept thinking that this movie should look
and sound better than it does. But it was reasonably acceptable (dimly
lit scenes came across a bit too dark I thought).>>


The audio was terrible on the first DVD and it is still terrible on the
second DVD. The upgrades you will get when you buy the new version are
the extras disk and the superior anamorphic transfer, which is contained
on one side of the movie disk. No more flipper DVD -- and no more
cardboard snapper case, because the new version comes in an Amaray-style
case. But the audio is still lousy and this spoils what could have been
a great DVD package.

For testing purposes, I played both the old 1997 version and the new
2004 version in two different Sony players. The player containing the
new 2004, anamorphic version was set up for down-conversion. This
somewhat leveled the playing field.

As far as the audio is concerned, the two versions appear to be
identical, and herein lies the problem. I have always maintained that
the audio on the original _Goodfellas_ was not well balanced -- at
least as far as the center channel narration is concerned. While the
soundtrack is well balanced overall, the narration sequences, with the
voices of Ray Liotta and Lorraine Bracco, are overwhelmingly LOUD! The
narration is divided between the front left and right speakers and the
center channel, but it is greatly overemphasized in the center channel.

After setting the volume level to a comfortable level at the start of
the movie, everything sounds good until chapter 2, when Ray Liotta
begins to narrate in a very loud voice. Turning the center channel down
does help the situation to a certain extent, but between narration
sequences, all of the dialog becomes too low. There is no way to work
around this audio problem. I had high hopes that Warner would fix this
audio problem on the new version of _Goodfellas_, but they didn't.

Even when down-converted, the color and brightness level of the new
version is vastly superior to the old version. This is particularly
evident in the night scenes, which were very dark in the old version. Of
course, the new anamorphic transfer has much better detail than the old
non-anamorphic version when it is not down-converted.

The centering and picture size of the two versions are slightly
different: The new version is slightly taller than the old version, with
a little more picture showing at the top. The new version is
horizontally-shifted slightly to the right of the old version and it
shows a little less picture information on the left side and a little
more picture information on the right side.


 
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Chef Boyardee
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      08-20-2004
>While the
>soundtrack is well balanced overall, the narration sequences, with the
>voices of Ray Liotta and Lorraine Bracco, are overwhelmingly LOUD!


Yeah, but the movie as ALWAYS been mixed this way- including in theaters. The
laserdisc and VHS also have the narration very LOUD. But even theatrically,
the narration was significantly louder than that of a standard movie.
 
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Tad Bitt§ļ£
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      08-21-2004

"One-Shot Scot" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Uncle Milty" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> <<Any thoughts from those who have picked up this release? I watched it
> the other night, and I thought the picture was passable. I didn't have
> the earlier dvd, just the LD. Basically, while my TV and 5.1 system are
> far from top-of-the-line, I kept thinking that this movie should look
> and sound better than it does. But it was reasonably acceptable (dimly
> lit scenes came across a bit too dark I thought).>>
>
>
> The audio was terrible on the first DVD and it is still terrible on the
> second DVD. The upgrades you will get when you buy the new version are
> the extras disk and the superior anamorphic transfer, which is contained
> on one side of the movie disk. No more flipper DVD -- and no more
> cardboard snapper case, because the new version comes in an Amaray-style
> case. But the audio is still lousy and this spoils what could have been
> a great DVD package.
>
> For testing purposes, I played both the old 1997 version and the new
> 2004 version in two different Sony players. The player containing the
> new 2004, anamorphic version was set up for down-conversion. This
> somewhat leveled the playing field.
>
> As far as the audio is concerned, the two versions appear to be
> identical, and herein lies the problem. I have always maintained that
> the audio on the original _Goodfellas_ was not well balanced -- at
> least as far as the center channel narration is concerned. While the
> soundtrack is well balanced overall, the narration sequences, with the
> voices of Ray Liotta and Lorraine Bracco, are overwhelmingly LOUD! The
> narration is divided between the front left and right speakers and the
> center channel, but it is greatly overemphasized in the center channel.
>
> After setting the volume level to a comfortable level at the start of
> the movie, everything sounds good until chapter 2, when Ray Liotta
> begins to narrate in a very loud voice. Turning the center channel down
> does help the situation to a certain extent, but between narration
> sequences, all of the dialog becomes too low. There is no way to work
> around this audio problem. I had high hopes that Warner would fix this
> audio problem on the new version of _Goodfellas_, but they didn't.
>
> Even when down-converted, the color and brightness level of the new
> version is vastly superior to the old version. This is particularly
> evident in the night scenes, which were very dark in the old version. Of
> course, the new anamorphic transfer has much better detail than the old
> non-anamorphic version when it is not down-converted.
>
> The centering and picture size of the two versions are slightly
> different: The new version is slightly taller than the old version, with
> a little more picture showing at the top. The new version is
> horizontally-shifted slightly to the right of the old version and it
> shows a little less picture information on the left side and a little
> more picture information on the right side.
>
>

not to mention that the new 2004 edition has interviews with most of the
production and film participants and an intersting and entertaining
commentary with introductions for each interview outtake. It should be noted
that non of the films participants except for Marty are actually commenting
on particular scenes as they show up. These are merely audio interviews
added to what is otherwise typically a commentary track. You hear the real
FBI agent being referred to as he talks about the witness program interview
with Karen and Henry. So there is some live film commentary to scene
interviews, but not many.

The best part of all the extras was watching Thelma Schoonmaker and Marty S
editing the film with her interview and behind the scenes footage of the
edit process being shown. I would have swept the floors just to see that for
real. Many people restrict Goodfellas to being the "best of the 90's". What
about the best Martin Scorcese film! If that's the case, then GF
(intentionally the name was chosen to mimick the Godfather name) is one of
the best films ever. It is in my top 30 or 40 choices. As good as Casino is,
GF is the one. I always thought that Raging Bull was great aswell, just not
as interesting. Jake Lamatta was a fairly simply minded and uninteresting
person. He was jealous, that's it. The whole movie is about him yet, he in
of himself is not interesting enough. You can't deny how cleverly shot this
film is, however, GF beats it.

I looked at the box set for Martin Scorcese and thought, wow, he made some
fairly unimportant films aswell. Alice and who's knocking are throw aways.
After Hours is sort of interesting but you get pretty tired of Rosanna
Arquette's moody, bitchy and winey charactor (the same she plays in most
films) and you certainly don't give a **** about the main charactors
exploits. Weak film. If it was made by any other director you would not be
reading about it right now.
Mean Streets is a good film. There is charactor development and a real life
feel to it. The last scene where the blinds are drawn is a clever finale.


 
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