STAR WARS: Will Alec Guinness be deleted from OT?

If Hayden Christensen has indeed been CGI-substituted for Sebastian Shaw as the
elder Anakin in the new ROTJ 'special edition' DVD, does that mean the mug of
Ewan McGregor will be similarly pasted over Sir Alec's face? Has the ever
boggling inconstancies of their character's respective ages ever even OCCURRED
to Darth Lucas?

Stroke of Eight

<< If Hayden Christensen has indeed been CGI-substituted for Sebastian Shaw
as the elder Anakin in the new ROTJ 'special edition' DVD, does that mean
the mug of Ewan McGregor will be similarly pasted over Sir Alec's face? >>

Probably not. My take on this is Lucas changed the "Jedi Spirits" to they
way they looked when they stopped being Jedi. For Obi Wan and Yoda, it was
their deaths but for Anakin it was when he became Vader, hence the HC
likeness.

Jeff Horne

Jeff Horne

the big question is how anakin grew over a foot taller even after being past
his growing age. Darth Vader is a lot taller in the first Star Wars than in
episode 2. Will they shrink Darth Vader on the DVD's like they did in Lord
of the Rings?

"Stroke of Eight" <> wrote in message
news:...
> If Hayden Christensen has indeed been CGI-substituted for Sebastian Shaw
as the
> elder Anakin in the new ROTJ 'special edition' DVD, does that mean the mug
of
> Ewan McGregor will be similarly pasted over Sir Alec's face? Has the ever
> boggling inconstancies of their character's respective ages ever even
OCCURRED
> to Darth Lucas?

Nathan

On 15 Aug 2004 22:12:33 GMT, (Stroke of Eight)
wrote:

>If Hayden Christensen has indeed been CGI-substituted for Sebastian Shaw as the
>elder Anakin in the new ROTJ 'special edition' DVD, does that mean the mug of
>Ewan McGregor will be similarly pasted over Sir Alec's face? Has the ever
>boggling inconstancies of their character's respective ages ever even OCCURRED
>to Darth Lucas?

The DVD or RotJ has been circulating in some Dutch newsgroups for some
time now and I've seen it. In case you don't want to know (and believe
me in the first place, that is)....







<spoiler>









<i warned you>



The ending has been altered, yes. Vader-without-mask is still Shaw.
But the spirit of Anakin is now Hayden Christensen. Guiness is still
there. Also, there is a shot of Naboo in the celebration. Vader does
not disappear when he dies, but Yoda does (I am not sure if that was
already in the first special edition too). Also, I am not sure if the
shot of the people pulling down a statue of Palpatine was there
before, but it reminded me of the footage of people pulling down the
statue of Saddam Hussein so it could have been put in later as a
reference.

There are probably other more minor changes too but I did not watch
the movie in full and I do not intend to. There is only one version I
want and I hear it does not exist anymore. A pity, it is.

Mischa

Mischa van Dinter

<<Will they shrink Darth Vader on the DVD's like they did in Lord
of the Rings?
>>

Darth Vader was in The Lord of the Rings?!

BubbCoop

In article <xhRTc.2446$>,
"Jeff Horne" <> wrote:

> Probably not. My take on this is Lucas changed the "Jedi Spirits" to they
> way they looked when they stopped being Jedi. For Obi Wan and Yoda, it was
> their deaths but for Anakin it was when he became Vader, hence the HC
> likeness.
>
> Jeff Horne

Hey...now THAT makes sense. This is the first and best theory I've read.
It is almost...logical! Great bit of reasoning...because I too, thought
it was strange that Obi-Wan stays old forever and Anakin is going to
stay young.

John C. Chu

> > Probably not. My take on this is Lucas changed the "Jedi Spirits" to
they
> > way they looked when they stopped being Jedi. For Obi Wan and Yoda, it
was
> > their deaths but for Anakin it was when he became Vader, hence the HC
> > likeness.
> >
> Hey...now THAT makes sense. This is the first and best theory I've read.
> It is almost...logical! Great bit of reasoning...because I too, thought
> it was strange that Obi-Wan stays old forever and Anakin is going to
> stay young.

Lucas says exactly this on the upcoming box set. I like the idea myself a
lot. The execution ain't so hot though...Hayden looks directly at the camera
while Yoda and Ben look off to the side

It's all on http://www.millenniumfalcon.com - including shots of the new
Jabba and Emperor.





--
Matt Robinson

Matt Robinson

On 16 Aug 2004 21:38:38 GMT, (BubbCoop) wrote:

><<Will they shrink Darth Vader on the DVD's like they did in Lord
>of the Rings?
>>>
>
>Darth Vader was in The Lord of the Rings?!

No, that was Darth Dracula.

Tranquility Base

"Mischa van Dinter" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On 15 Aug 2004 22:12:33 GMT, (Stroke of Eight)
> wrote:
>
> >If Hayden Christensen has indeed been CGI-substituted for Sebastian Shaw
as the
> >elder Anakin in the new ROTJ 'special edition' DVD, does that mean the
mug of
> >Ewan McGregor will be similarly pasted over Sir Alec's face? Has the ever
> >boggling inconstancies of their character's respective ages ever even
OCCURRED
> >to Darth Lucas?
>
> The DVD or RotJ has been circulating in some Dutch newsgroups for some
> time now and I've seen it. In case you don't want to know (and believe
> me in the first place, that is)....
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <spoiler>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <i warned you>
>
>
>
> The ending has been altered, yes. Vader-without-mask is still Shaw.
> But the spirit of Anakin is now Hayden Christensen. Guiness is still
> there. Also, there is a shot of Naboo in the celebration. Vader does
> not disappear when he dies, but Yoda does (I am not sure if that was
> already in the first special edition too). Also, I am not sure if the
> shot of the people pulling down a statue of Palpatine was there
> before, but it reminded me of the footage of people pulling down the
> statue of Saddam Hussein so it could have been put in later as a
> reference.
>
> There are probably other more minor changes too but I did not watch
> the movie in full and I do not intend to. There is only one version I
> want and I hear it does not exist anymore. A pity, it is.
>
> Mischa

The Naboo shot will be new to the S.E.

Yoda disappearing when he dies has always been in ROTJ all the way since
it's first show in 1983, so that's nothing new.

The Palpatine Emperor statue being tipped was in the 1997 S.E. of ROTJ, so
while it may look like it's mirroring the events of 2003 (with Saddam) it's
not new to the S.E.

The "Original" version of the Trilogy DOES still exist, and always will, as
long as Lucas doesn't send some flunky to every house around the world that
bought one of the hundreds of VHS or Laserdisc releases and demands their
immediate destruction. As long as you have a copy (or two - or fifty) they
will always exist.

That's fine that you don't like the S.E.s, I will always have a place for
the "Originals" (hell, I have several P&S & WS VHS sets and the Definitive
CAV Laserdisc set along with the three CLV releases) but "some" of the
"changes" in the S.E.s actually work better for me. <start flame war here>
Although the "Greedo shoots first" will NEVER sit right with me...I mean,
Greedo was a Bounty Hunter for Jabba, sitting TWO FEET from Han.....AND
MISSED!!!! In any event, some of the "clean up shots" like Mos Eisley and
Empire's clearer dialog soundtrack were needed.

Anyway, there you are....

Rob McCartney

"John C. Chu" <> wrote in message
news:chung123-...
> In article <xhRTc.2446$>,
> "Jeff Horne" <> wrote:
>
> > Probably not. My take on this is Lucas changed the "Jedi Spirits" to
> > they way they looked when they stopped being Jedi. For Obi Wan
> > and Yoda, it was their deaths but for Anakin it was when he became
> > Vader, hence the HC likeness.
> >
> > Jeff Horne
>
> Hey...now THAT makes sense. This is the first and best theory I've read.
> It is almost...logical! Great bit of reasoning...because I too, thought
> it was strange that Obi-Wan stays old forever and Anakin is going to
> stay young.

Until you remember that Lucas claims that the films have "always"
been about the downfall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. If that's
the case, it further strengthens the case that the way he looked at his
death would be the appropriate image (as he came back from the Dark
Side). Even without Lucas' statements, the fact that he appeared in spirit
form (in Jedi garb) at the end of Jedi was to illustrate this, both for the
audience, and for Luke.

Hey George, if it ain't broke -- don't fix it


Henry LaPierre

LaPierre Henry