new Star Trek-TOS still doesn't have original mono track if

If the listing on Amazon is correct, the new dvd season 1 boxed set of the
original series of "Star Trek" STILL doesn't have the original mono track on
it.

It foes have some extra features not on the previously released single discs,
but still doesn't have the original mono track.

The only two listed available tracks on it are "Dolby Digital 5.1" and matrixed
"Dolby Digital 2.0 surround".

and no, simply listening to it in mono on a mono tv does not recover the
original mono track. I've already tried that suggestion with the previously
released discs when somebody in the dvd newsgroups suggested it.

It's not the same as the original mono track, even when listening to it in
purre mono, because the tracks have been altered when they changed it to 5.1

Waterperson77

On 28 Jun 2004 17:55:09 GMT, Waterperson77 wrote:

>The only two listed available tracks on it are "Dolby Digital 5.1" and matrixed
>"Dolby Digital 2.0 surround".

I would hope/expect that the "Dolby Digital 2.0 surround" track is
actually the original mono soundtrack.

DVDs almost never include a genuine mono track - they always use a
2.0 stereo with exactly the same audio in both tracks. If the disc
used true mono then all the audio would come from the centre speaker
and the front left/right would not be used. This is not what
consumers expect so by putting the mono audio as a "stereo" track it
then works properly both for people with mono TVs and those with home
cinema systems.

"Duncan" <> wrote in message
news:...
> I would hope/expect that the "Dolby Digital 2.0 surround" track is
> actually the original mono soundtrack.
>
> DVDs almost never include a genuine mono track - they always use a
> 2.0 stereo with exactly the same audio in both tracks. If the disc
> used true mono then all the audio would come from the centre speaker
> and the front left/right would not be used. This is not what
> consumers expect so by putting the mono audio as a "stereo" track it
> then works properly both for people with mono TVs and those with home
> cinema systems.

While it's possible that this *could* be what the specs mean, it is also
possible that the 2.0 track may just be a stereo downconversion of the
5.1 remix, and still not the original mono soundtrack.

>
> and no, simply listening to it in mono on a mono tv does not recover the
> original mono track. I've already tried that suggestion with the
> previously
> released discs when somebody in the dvd newsgroups suggested it.
>
> It's not the same as the original mono track, even when listening to it in
> purre mono, because the tracks have been altered when they changed it to
> 5.1
>
>


Put an earplug in one ear then.

On 28 Jun 2004 17:55:09 GMT,
(Waterperson77) wrote:

>If the listing on Amazon is correct, the new dvd season 1 boxed set of the
>original series of "Star Trek" STILL doesn't have the original mono track on
>it.
>
>It foes have some extra features not on the previously released single discs,
>but still doesn't have the original mono track.
>
>The only two listed available tracks on it are "Dolby Digital 5.1" and matrixed
>"Dolby Digital 2.0 surround".
>
>and no, simply listening to it in mono on a mono tv does not recover the
>original mono track. I've already tried that suggestion with the previously
>released discs when somebody in the dvd newsgroups suggested it.
>
>It's not the same as the original mono track, even when listening to it in
>purre mono, because the tracks have been altered when they changed it to 5.1
>


If they've upgraded the sound track to DD 5.1, why on earth would you
want a mono track included? I for one wouldn't want to hear all of
the audio coming only out of my center channel speaker.

- Rutgar

says...

> If they've upgraded the sound track to DD 5.1, why on earth would you
> want a mono track included? I for one wouldn't want to hear all of
> the audio coming only out of my center channel speaker.

For two reasons:

(1) The monoaural track is how it was originally. I don't want the soundtrack
"reformatted to fit my speakers" any more than I want the picture "reformatted
to fit my screen".

(2) If they're the same DD5.1 tracks that were on the previous single-disc
releases, they suck. Badly engineered. I prefer the mono soundtracks on my
LDs to the DD5.1 soundtracks on the DVDs.

-- jayembee

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:36:47 GMT, jayembee
<> wrote:

> says...
>
>> If they've upgraded the sound track to DD 5.1, why on earth would you
>> want a mono track included? I for one wouldn't want to hear all of
>> the audio coming only out of my center channel speaker.
>
>For two reasons:
>
>(1) The monoaural track is how it was originally. I don't want the soundtrack
>"reformatted to fit my speakers" any more than I want the picture "reformatted
>to fit my screen".

Well, since they didn't broadcast in anything but mono, when TOS was
first aired, then of course it was originally that way. I still
wouldn't want to watch modern DVD's with all of the sound coming out
of only my center channel.
>
>(2) If they're the same DD5.1 tracks that were on the previous single-disc
>releases, they suck. Badly engineered. I prefer the mono soundtracks on my
>LDs to the DD5.1 soundtracks on the DVDs.
>
Well, if the DD5.1 tracks suck, then that's one thing. It should be
fixed then. I have one movie on DVD that only has the mono
soundtrack (S.O.B., I think it is), and It drove me nuts trying to
watch the film, with all of the sound coming out of the center channel
only. At the very least, it should have at least been directed to
the right and left mains.

- Rutgar

"Rutgar" <> wrote in message
news:...
> >(1) The monoaural track is how it was originally. I don't want the
soundtrack
> >"reformatted to fit my speakers" any more than I want the picture
"reformatted
> >to fit my screen".
>
> Well, since they didn't broadcast in anything but mono, when TOS was
> first aired, then of course it was originally that way.

Yeah, and back in the 20s and 30s they mainly only had black & white
film. Doesn't mean I want those old movies colorized.

In article <>, Rutgar
<> wrote:

> Well, if the DD5.1 tracks suck, then that's one thing. It should be
> fixed then. I have one movie on DVD that only has the mono
> soundtrack (S.O.B., I think it is), and It drove me nuts trying to
> watch the film, with all of the sound coming out of the center channel
> only. At the very least, it should have at least been directed to
> the right and left mains.
>
Makes me feel all of my 34.5 years, to hear that some people can't
stand only one speaker In the olden days, given that the people
speaking were right in front of us we expected the sound to come from
there!

--
Chris Mack "Refugee, total ****. That's how I've always seen us.
'Invid Fan' Not a help, you'll admit, to agreement between us."
-'Deal/No Deal', CHESS

says...

> jayembee <> wrote:
>
>> (1) The monoaural track is how it was originally. I don't want the
>> soundtrack "reformatted to fit my speakers" any more than I want
>> the picture "reformatted to fit my screen".
>
> Well, since they didn't broadcast in anything but mono, when TOS was
> first aired, then of course it was originally that way. I still
> wouldn't want to watch modern DVD's with all of the sound coming out
> of only my center channel.

If that's what you want, be my guest. But you asked why anyone would
want a mono track instead of a 5.1 track, and I explained why.

Be that as it may, the point is that the soundtrack was *mixed* to be
heard from one speaker. Changing it simply to satisfy people with 5.1
audio systems is turning it into something it's not. That's no different
than pan-&-scanning a widescreen film, or colorizing a black-&-white film.

Speaking personally, if Paramount wants to have DD5.1 soundtracks on
all of the episodes, they are welcome to do so, as long as they also
include the original monaural track as an option for those of us who
prefer it that way.

-- jayembee