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Invid Fan wrote:

>>(uh, y'know, "Victory Through Air Power" just isn't that *interesting*??)
>
> Depends on your interests, naturally. I thought it was damned fun, a
> look at how to win the war that was wrong Only for history geeks,
> though, I agree.

No, not history geeks--
Meant that particular fringe of rabid, slavering Disney/animation geeks
(often referred to as the Pecos Bill-ites) who want anything twice as
much if they think it's been "banned" or "censored" by the studio:
"Oh, and make sure they put on 'Education for Death', they'll never show
that on TV--And 'Der Fuehrer's Face', where Donald says Heil Hitler!
<drool, drool, slobber>..."

Of course, Diz's a little too naive about said geekdom, and thinks all
the sales are coming from core Leonard Maltin fans--
Disney might probably end up using the Wartime press to play the
"Historical value" card with SotS, when they'd be smarter off playing
the new-generation "Splash Mountain" card...
But at this point, think the operative phrase is "Just whatever cons it
in through the darn boardroom".

Derek Janssen

RnR Lesnar wrote:
>
> The one that I thought I'd have the least interest in turned out to be one
> of the best, and thats Tomorrowland. The first disc was really great. Again,
> with that you have to watch it knowing that all that stuff was new to people
> when it was shown. Most of us here grew up with that technology already
> existing. But in the 50's, sending a manned rocket into space was an idea.

Forget that--The CARTOONS on the Disk 1 episodes:
Ward "Toot, Whistle, Plunk & Boom" Kimball meets John "Road Runner/Pink
Panther" Dunn...

....Sort of your basic "What if Chuck Jones had been hired by Disney?"
fantasy.

Derek Janssen (you just didn't think Disney had it in them)

"Invid Fan" <> wrote in message
news:020620042021472960%...
> In article <40be4bba$0$2945$>, Derek Janssen
> <> wrote:
>
> > (uh, y'know, "Victory Through Air Power" just isn't that
*interesting*??)
>
> Depends on your interests, naturally. I thought it was damned fun, a
> look at how to win the war that was wrong Only for history geeks,
> though, I agree.

What do you mean by "the war that was wrong"?


--
RnR Lesnar
It's True, It's True- Kurt Angle
Bush/Cheney 2004

On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 03:06:45 -0500, "RnR Lesnar"
<> wrote:

>
>"Invid Fan" <> wrote in message
>news:020620042021472960%...
>> In article <40be4bba$0$2945$>, Derek Janssen
>> <> wrote:
>>
>> > (uh, y'know, "Victory Through Air Power" just isn't that
>*interesting*??)
>>
>> Depends on your interests, naturally. I thought it was damned fun, a
>> look at how to win the war that was wrong Only for history geeks,
>> though, I agree.
>
>What do you mean by "the war that was wrong"?


Read again, he said that the LOOK at HOW to win the war was wrong, the
winning strategy was wrong, not the war itself. The film's timeline
of how to take Japan using firepower is an interesting suggestion of
how history may have progressed if Atomic bombs hadn't been dropped on
Japan.

... Steve ..

Grand Inquisitor wrote:
> A lot of that stuff is so antiquated and offensive as to be laughable,
> but one wonders if people are being too sensitive about some of it. I
> remember reading the TinTin comics, and black people in those comics
> look like Al Jolson in full makeup, and Japanese characters had pug
> noses, squinty eyes, and huge teeth. And yet, in the middle of all
> this the main character takes time out to explain to a Chinese kid
> about "stupid Europeans" who think they're better than non-Europeans,
> and there's also a subplot involving a racist white guy who gets
> trashed so badly you would think the writer hated white people, if he
> weren't white himself. So are stereotypical drawings *necessarily*
> racist? I think the answer is probably no, even though this goes
> against PC ideology. After all, I've just given an example in which a
> cartoonist who is obviously passionately anti-racist drew
> thick-lipped Africans and buck-toothed Asians. It was just the
> artistic style of the day. After all, to an Asian person, a drawing
> of Homer Simpson looks like a charicature of a white person.

Good points, and these are exactly the sorts of things Maltin briefly
explains on the Mickey Vol. 2 collection.

Mike

In article <c9mm6l$e36$>, RnR Lesnar
<> wrote:

> "Invid Fan" <> wrote in message
> news:020620042021472960%...
> > In article <40be4bba$0$2945$>, Derek Janssen
> > <> wrote:
> >
> > > (uh, y'know, "Victory Through Air Power" just isn't that
> *interesting*??)
> >
> > Depends on your interests, naturally. I thought it was damned fun, a
> > look at how to win the war that was wrong Only for history geeks,
> > though, I agree.
>
> What do you mean by "the war that was wrong"?

You didn't read the whole sentence The film says that it's pointless
to try and attack either Japan or Germany directly, that the only way
to win the war was to use long range bombers to beat the hell out of
them. This was wrong. In practice, the US was able to capture those
airbases within range of Japan that the film said could never be taken
within a year. To have followed what they suggested would be to have
just held the line in the Pacific and done nothing until new long range
bombers were built in a couple years, then maybe going on the attack in
1945 or 46.

--
Chris Mack "Refugee, total ****. That's how I've always seen us.
'Invid Fan' Not a help, you'll admit, to agreement between us."
-'Deal/No Deal', CHESS

On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, Derek Janssen wrote:

> Forget that--The CARTOONS on the Disk 1 episodes:
> Ward "Toot, Whistle, Plunk & Boom" Kimball meets John "Road Runner/Pink
> Panther" Dunn...
>
> ...Sort of your basic "What if Chuck Jones had been hired by Disney?"
> fantasy.
>
> Derek Janssen (you just didn't think Disney had it in them)

But Chuck Jones *was* hired by Disney...

swac
Which is why I have a box set side full of Sniffles cartoons.

On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, Derek Janssen wrote:

> Meant that particular fringe of rabid, slavering Disney/animation geeks
> (often referred to as the Pecos Bill-ites) who want anything twice as
> much if they think it's been "banned" or "censored" by the studio:
> "Oh, and make sure they put on 'Education for Death', they'll never show
> that on TV--And 'Der Fuehrer's Face', where Donald says Heil Hitler!
> <drool, drool, slobber>..."

Yeah, well...so what?

swac

Derek Janssen wrote:
> Stephen Cooke wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, Derek Janssen wrote:
>>
>>> Meant that particular fringe of rabid, slavering Disney/animation
>>> geeks (often referred to as the Pecos Bill-ites) who want anything
>>> twice as much if they think it's been "banned" or "censored" by the
>>> studio: "Oh, and make sure they put on 'Education for Death',
>>> they'll never show that on TV--And 'Der Fuehrer's Face', where
>>> Donald says Heil Hitler! <drool, drool, slobber>..."
>>
>> Yeah, well...so what?
>
> Well, the mentality's about three or four years out of date--
> Seeing as how the PB's tend to be either addicted to the National
> Geographic thrill of seeing Disney do something "dirty", or are
> psychologically stuck in 1999 and want to think they're "taking back"
> the studio from the Limited Edition-era management.
>
> (These tend to be the posters who flood the DVD groups with paranoid
> "Okay, tell me, what'd they cut, what'd they cut; I know they said
> 'restored', but it's Disney, they had to have cut SOMETHING, I know
> it!" posts, two days before any hi-profile Disney release...)

You're being presumptuous about the motivations of these so-called PB's.
For my part, it has nothing to do with either of the reasons you give above.
For me, it's a simple matter of paranoia about the studio censoring itself,
because they have a rich history of doing so. I'm a purist, and like to
know that the discs I collect are true to the original work. It's that
simple, nothing more, I promise you.

Mike

Stephen Cooke wrote:

> On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, Derek Janssen wrote:
>
>
>>Meant that particular fringe of rabid, slavering Disney/animation geeks
>>(often referred to as the Pecos Bill-ites) who want anything twice as
>>much if they think it's been "banned" or "censored" by the studio:
>>"Oh, and make sure they put on 'Education for Death', they'll never show
>>that on TV--And 'Der Fuehrer's Face', where Donald says Heil Hitler!
>><drool, drool, slobber>..."
>
> Yeah, well...so what?

Well, the mentality's about three or four years out of date--
Seeing as how the PB's tend to be either addicted to the National
Geographic thrill of seeing Disney do something "dirty", or are
psychologically stuck in 1999 and want to think they're "taking back"
the studio from the Limited Edition-era management.

(These tend to be the posters who flood the DVD groups with paranoid
"Okay, tell me, what'd they cut, what'd they cut; I know they said
'restored', but it's Disney, they had to have cut SOMETHING, I know it!"
posts, two days before any hi-profile Disney release...)

Derek Janssen (we must help these poor, traumatized souls)