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John Moore
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      01-25-2004
I know my dvd player is getting long in the tooth, but I hope someone
can help me. I have been itching to watch my disc of VERTIGO lately, so
I put it in tonight, and it won't even recognize the disc. It seems I
have had this problem once before with another disc, but that was long
ago and I don't recall the specifics. And since the dvd player on my
computer has been removed, I am VERTIGOless. HELP!

Please write me at my email address.

Thanks!

John

 
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Steve(JazzHunter)
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      01-25-2004
On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 05:23:32 GMT, John Moore
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>I know my dvd player is getting long in the tooth, but I hope someone
>can help me. I have been itching to watch my disc of VERTIGO lately, so
>I put it in tonight, and it won't even recognize the disc. It seems I
>have had this problem once before with another disc, but that was long
>ago and I don't recall the specifics. And since the dvd player on my
>computer has been removed, I am VERTIGOless. HELP!


Is it the original release or the speciall edition? There have been
some reports of DVDrot on the former.

. Steve .
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>Please write me at my email address.
>
>Thanks!
>
>John


 
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John Moore
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      01-26-2004


"Steve(JazzHunter)" wrote:

> Is it the original release or the speciall edition? There have been
> some reports of DVDrot on the former.


Wow, really? It's the collector's edition with the orange art. What's the
difference in the two?

Thanks

John

 
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Scot Gardner
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      01-26-2004
"John Moore" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Steve(JazzHunter)" wrote:
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> > Is it the original release or the speciall edition? There have
> > been some reports of DVDrot on the former.

>
> Wow, really? It's the collector's edition with the orange art.
> What's the difference in the two?
>
> Thanks
>
> John



I have the orange version of _Vertigo_ and it is playing well right now.
Both layers look as good as might be expected from an over-compressed,
non-anamorphic DVD made from a pristine, restored movie. I think that
the new blue cover version contains exactly the same disk as the orange
one.

During 1998 Universal released quite a few DVDs in jewel cases,
including _Vertigo_. Apparently, this was the original Special Edition
of _Vertigo_. The new orange and blue versions are labeled Collector's
Edition.

Those early Universal pressings might be suspect since they probably
came from the same disk replication plant as the rotted _Vertigo_. Some
of the other Universal DVDs packaged in jewel cases were:

12 Monkeys
Apollo 13
Brazil
Casino
Cliffhanger
Conan the Barbarian
Conan the Destroyer
Dante's Peak
Darkman
Death Becomes Her
Deer Hunter
Dragonheart
Dune
Field of Dreams
Fierce Creatures
Happy Gilmore
High Plains Drifter
Liar Liar
Little Women
Matilda
Men in Black
Nutty Professor
Professional
Scarface
Sleepless in Seattle
Sneakers
Sparticus
Sting
Young Hercules

http://www.hometheaterinfo.com/



 
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John Moore
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      01-26-2004

Scot Gardner wrote:

> I have the orange version of _Vertigo_ and it is playing well right now.
> Both layers look as good as might be expected from an over-compressed,
> non-anamorphic DVD made from a pristine, restored movie. I think that
> the new blue cover version contains exactly the same disk as the orange
> one.
>
> During 1998 Universal released quite a few DVDs in jewel cases,
> including _Vertigo_. Apparently, this was the original Special Edition
> of _Vertigo_. The new orange and blue versions are labeled Collector's
> Edition.
>
> Those early Universal pressings might be suspect since they probably
> came from the same disk replication plant as the rotted _Vertigo


I appreciate the info. Mine was the orange Collector's Edition (the same as
the disc in the blue art case). I searched google and found a story of a
guy who had the same Vertigo problems with the same machine. He got another
copy and it played fine. Then suddenly, I noticed that this "guy" was me.
I had forgotten all about that. Now it seems my new copy would not play
(though it does play in computer DVD players).

Today I went out and bought a new DVD player. To my frustration, Vertigo
does not play in it either. Am I just out of luck, or is there a way to
request a replacement?

John

 
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Scot Gardner
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      01-26-2004
"John Moore" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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<<Today I went out and bought a new DVD player. To my frustration,
Vertigo does not play in it either. Am I just out of luck, or is there
a way to request a replacement? John>>


Here is the number for Universal that owners of the mis-framed _Back to
the Future_ DVDs were told to call:

(88 703-0010.

If this fails, _Vertigo_ now has a list price of $19.98 as compared to
its outrageous original price of $34.98. To be honest, Universal's
_Vertigo_ DVD has a lousy transfer. I have been hoping for the last few
years that Universal will finally give this title the high-bitrate,
anamorphic treatment that it deserves.

_Vertigo_ is definitely NOT a DVD masterpiece. Universal chose to give
us an overpriced, non-anamorphic disk with enough decompression
artifacts to totally distract viewers from the plot of the movie. And
what a plot it is: A man fixates on a dead woman.

The artifacts that I am referring to can only be described as pulsing.
Fine details in stationary objects, such as wallpaper and sides of
buildings, jump side to side and up and down. One of scenes which best
illustrates this effect is found in the bookstore beginning at 35 min 32
sec. Look at Jimmy Stewart's suit as he stands between Midge and Pop
Libel. The pixels are jumping around like a bunch of agitated fleas. The
same thing is happening to Midge's coat and the walls as well. This
pulsing, "QuickTime" look is present throughout the entire film and it
can be very distracting at times.

One of the most vivid and memorable scenes in the movie begins at 17
minutes where Scottie sees Madeleine for the first time. This scene
looks very good in its current DVD version. However, it would look
absolutely gorgeous if it were anamorphic.



 
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      01-26-2004
On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 21:47:32 -0800, "Scot Gardner"
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>"John Moore" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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><<Today I went out and bought a new DVD player. To my frustration,
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>_Vertigo_ is definitely NOT a DVD masterpiece. Universal chose to give
>us an overpriced, non-anamorphic disk with enough decompression
>artifacts to totally distract viewers from the plot of the movie. And
>what a plot it is: A man fixates on a dead woman.
>
>The artifacts that I am referring to can only be described as pulsing.
>Fine details in stationary objects, such as wallpaper and sides of
>buildings, jump side to side and up and down. One of scenes which best
>illustrates this effect is found in the bookstore beginning at 35 min 32
>sec. Look at Jimmy Stewart's suit as he stands between Midge and Pop
>Libel. The pixels are jumping around like a bunch of agitated fleas. The
>same thing is happening to Midge's coat and the walls as well. This
>pulsing, "QuickTime" look is present throughout the entire film and it
>can be very distracting at times.
>


This is probably due to real-time hardware rendering, in other words
dubbing to Mpeg2, rather than multipass rendering done in a production
lab from the digtal master. "Splash" for example has this same
pulsing look as well as many other early DVD's. Thank Goodness I can
toss my old DVD of "Splash" when the new SE is released. The
laserdisc actually looks marginally better than the DVD of "Splash."

. Steve .

 
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      01-26-2004
"Steve(JazzHunter)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>This pulsing, "QuickTime" look is present throughout the entire film
>and it can be very distracting at times.


<<This is probably due to real-time hardware rendering, in other words
dubbing to Mpeg2, rather than multipass rendering done in a production
lab from the digtal master. "Splash" for example has this same pulsing
look as well as many other early DVD's. Thank Goodness I can toss my old
DVD of "Splash" when the new SE is released. The laserdisc actually
looks marginally better than the DVD of "Splash." . Steve .>>


Thanks for the verification of this "pulsing" problem in the Region 1
verson of _Vertigo_. Most of those early DVDs need to be redone. Back in
September of 2000, I presented this same information and got this reply:

<<That's funny, it looks great on my player. No artifacts, no problems,
just a great picture throughout.>>

What is particularly annoying is the way the 30-minute DVD documentary
goes on and on about how Universal spent $1 million for a painstaking,
frame by frame restoration. When the restored _Vertigo_ played in
theaters, everybody was astonished at how good the movie looked and
sounded. Some critics went so far as to suggest that the movie looked
better after the restoration than it looked when it was first released
in 1958.

Then after all that, Universal put out this awful DVD.



 
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"Scot Gardner" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Thanks for the verification of this "pulsing" problem in the Region 1
> verson of _Vertigo_. Most of those early DVDs need to be redone. Back

in
> September of 2000, I presented this same information and got this

reply:
>
> <<That's funny, it looks great on my player. No artifacts, no

problems,
> just a great picture throughout.>>
>


I also read your earlier asessment of the DVD release of this movie and
agreed with you that it could have been better, anamorphic for starters.
However, I wouldn't call it awful. I also viewed this item on a DVD
S-3000, my very first player. Also on another Sony DVP NP7000P or
something. Same artifacts, same softness but not enough to call it
awful.

I just pulled my orange cover copy of this DVD this morning to watch for
DVD rot and there's none. It played fine on my department store brand
(Hoher T-030) multizone/NTSC/PAL DVD player (60 euros).

There's a comparison between the zone 1 and zone 4
(Australia/anamorphic) editions at:

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/

CÚsar.




 
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      01-27-2004
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"Scot Gardner" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Thanks for the verification of this "pulsing" problem in the Region 1
> version of _Vertigo_. Most of those early DVDs need to be redone. Back

in
> September of 2000, I presented this same information and got this

reply:
>
> <<That's funny, it looks great on my player. No artifacts, no

problems,
> just a great picture throughout.>>
>


<<I also read your earlier asessment of the DVD release of this movie
and agreed with you that it could have been better, anamorphic for
starters. However, I wouldn't call it awful. I also viewed this item on
a DVD
S-3000, my very first player. Also on another Sony DVP NP7000P or
something. Same artifacts, same softness but not enough to call it
awful.>>

<<I just pulled my orange cover copy of this DVD this morning to watch
for DVD rot and there's none. It played fine on my department store
brand (Hoher T-030) multizone/NTSC/PAL DVD player (60 euros).>>

<<There's a comparison between the zone 1 and zone 4
(Australia/anamorphic) editions at: CÚsar. >>

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/


Thanks for the comparison. The Region 4 version has a higher bitrate and
an anamorphic transfer, so naturally, the Region 4 screen shots show
greater detail. However, the greater detail comes with color problems.

Anyway, I think that the 4% speed up of the Region 4 version would be a
trade off that I would not be happy with.



 
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