Any examples of how open matte ruins composition?

Jay G wrote on [Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:30:09 -0600]:
> Joshua Zyber <> wrote:
>> "Jay G" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> So you've gone from saying there's "barely half a dozen widescreen
>>> "flubs", most of which are unnoticeable" in a season to conceeding
>>> that there is a much larger number of flubs, but they're still all
>>> unnoticeable.
>>
>> I'm not conceding anything. I watched the entire season and only
>> spotted 6 examples. I've got a nice big screen, fine vision, and was
>> even looking for them (though not to the exclusion of actually paying
>> attention to the episodes). Is a flub really a flub if the viewer
>> doesn't see it or know in advance that it's supposedly there?
>
> Is a flub not a flub if you personally didn't notice it? Others have
> noticed these flubs, some probably without even trying to. Again,

Those stupid anti piracy dots are bad enough

Justin

ThePunisher wrote on [Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:31:34 -0000]:
> Jay G wrote:
>> ThePunisher <> wrote:
>> >
>> > There's no getting through to him, if you go by his example then any
>> > film or TV program that is widescreen, and has mistakes outside the
>> > 4:3 center area, should only be viewed in 4:3
>>
>> No, a film should be viewed in the ratio that it was intended
>> to be seen in. In this case, Buffy was intended to be seen
>> in 4:3.
>>
>> -Jay
>
> Only in America it seems.

No, worldwide

Justin

Justin wrote:
> ThePunisher wrote on [Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:31:34 -0000]:
> > Jay G wrote:
> > > ThePunisher <> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > There's no getting through to him, if you go by his example
> > > > then any film or TV program that is widescreen, and has
> > > > mistakes outside the 4:3 center area, should only be viewed in
> > > > 4:3
> > >
> > > No, a film should be viewed in the ratio that it was intended
> > > to be seen in. In this case, Buffy was intended to be seen
> > > in 4:3.
> > >
> > > -Jay
> >
> > Only in America it seems.
>
> No, worldwide

Not in the UK

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ThePunisher

ThePunisher wrote on [Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:59:54 -0000]:
> Justin wrote:
>> ThePunisher wrote on [Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:31:34 -0000]:
>> > Jay G wrote:
>> > > ThePunisher <> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > There's no getting through to him, if you go by his example
>> > > > then any film or TV program that is widescreen, and has
>> > > > mistakes outside the 4:3 center area, should only be viewed in
>> > > > 4:3
>> > >
>> > > No, a film should be viewed in the ratio that it was intended
>> > > to be seen in. In this case, Buffy was intended to be seen
>> > > in 4:3.
>> > >
>> > > -Jay
>> >
>> > Only in America it seems.
>>
>> No, worldwide
>
> Not in the UK
>

If it was shown in the UK 16:9, and I know it was for some of it, it
doesn't mean that that is how Joss wanted it shown.

Justin

Justin wrote:
> ThePunisher wrote on [Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:59:54 -0000]:
> > Justin wrote:
> > > ThePunisher wrote on [Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:31:34 -0000]:
> > > > Jay G wrote:
> > > > > ThePunisher <> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There's no getting through to him, if you go by his example
> > > > > > then any film or TV program that is widescreen, and has
> > > > > > mistakes outside the 4:3 center area, should only be viewed
> > > > > > in 4:3
> > > > >
> > > > > No, a film should be viewed in the ratio that it was intended
> > > > > to be seen in. In this case, Buffy was intended to be seen
> > > > > in 4:3.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Jay
> > > >
> > > > Only in America it seems.
> > >
> > > No, worldwide
> >
> > Not in the UK
> >
>
> If it was shown in the UK 16:9, and I know it was for some of it, it
> doesn't mean that that is how Joss wanted it shown.

If he didn't wanted it shown that way, he shouldn't have made it that way.

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Chap with the wings there, put 5 rounds in him.

ThePunisher

ThePunisher <> wrote:
> Justin wrote:
>> If it was shown in the UK 16:9, and I know it was for some of it, it
>> doesn't mean that that is how Joss wanted it shown.
>
> If he didn't wanted it shown that way, he shouldn't have made it that
> way.

Maybe he thought the numerous flubs in the frame would
prevent the studio from trying to show it that way. Films
and TV shows are made within the demands of a studio.
Joss shot it in 4:3 on 16:9 film because that's how FOX
wanted it shot, so they could open matte it if they wanted
to. Just like how 1.85:1 films are often shot open-matte
on 4:3 film so that the studio can open the matte if they
want to. Just because something is made with concessions
to a studio doesn't mean the creator ever actually wants
it shown that way.

Your argument, frankly, is absurd. I'd be like saying of
an open-matted WS film, "if the director didn't want it
shown in 4:3, he shouldn't have made it that way."

-Jay

Jay G

ThePunisher <> wrote:
> Jay G wrote:
>> No, a film should be viewed in the ratio that it was intended
>> to be seen in. In this case, Buffy was intended to be seen
>> in 4:3.
>
> Only in America it seems.

Right, because a film is never shown in an aspect ratio
other than the one the creator wants. I guess all the
world's directors wanted their films in 4:3 on VHS,
but suddenly changed their minds when DVD hit
the market.

-Jay

Jay G