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On Fri, 2 Jan 2004 19:39:25 -0000, "rstlne" <.@.> Gave us:

>I would bet that (riaa fees and sales company markup aside).. that the cost
>of that 10$ DVD (box & cover design & production of the case & dvd itself)
>is around 70c

Yer full of ****. The final product is 70c each. The total cost of
producing packaging is a large number though. Add it up.

70c times 10 million discs pressed.

That's a 7 million dollar cost. There are artists, and renderers,
and a whole team of folks involved, long before the art gets to the
presses.

You are so lost. So what it is only 70c per package? It is THEIR
product.

"Erich J. Schultheis" <> wrote:

> I rented some movies from Blockbuster the other day and
> tried to burn them to a DVD-R and my DVD recorder said
> "Can Not Copy". The same thing happens when I borrow DVDs
> from friends and when I try to copy my DVD disc for friends.
> I can burn movies from digital cable and off the antenna
> just fine. Is the DVD too high a resolution for my DVD
> recorder or do I have a bad cable from my DVD player which
> is preventing me from recording to DVD?

No, that's not it. Most commercial DVDs have software called
Macrovision on them to prevent them from being copied. That's
for the express purpose of keeping you from doing exactly
what you're trying to do: copy borrowed DVDs inside of buying
your own legal copies.

-- jayembee

rstlne wrote on [Fri, 2 Jan 2004 21:05:08 -0000]:
>
> "Justin" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> rstlne wrote on [Fri, 2 Jan 2004 19:39:25 -0000]:
>> >
>> > Not sure what post was more of a laugh, his or yours..
>> > I mean, Just look at the 3 LOTR films
>> > a MASSIVE 500+ mil usd to make the film and bring it to the market. Now
> in
>> > the BOX OFFICE ALONE the total sales is expected to reach 3 BN usd..
> now..
>> > Movie theatres say "We rarely profit from the ticket sales".. So one
> would
>> > assume that the majority of the ticket sale goes back to the mfgr.. For
> you
>> > we can go low, and say they make 50%.. so that's 1.5bn - .5bn or 1bn
> profit
>>
>> Yes, one group of films out of many that don't break even in the
>> theatre, and barely come close in the retail channel. Waterworld
>> recently just made it's money back. This is money back, before profit.
>>
>> Or should studios only release profitable films?
>>
>
> No, I dont think that would be possible. What I am saying is that You
> shouldnt need to pay 20$ for ghostbusters on DVD, They stay on top of
> overkill until the product is completly dead.

Ghostbusters is not $20

A quick look yields 9.89 at Deep Discount DVD


>> And shipping, marketing, etc.
>
> I counted marketing.. Shipping large volumes would be virtually nil (by thte
> time you consider volume by cost) and be considered part of the "stores"
> profit..

Oh. So the store profits from shipping?

"Justin" <> wrote in message
news:...
> rstlne wrote on [Fri, 2 Jan 2004 19:39:25 -0000]:
> >
> > Not sure what post was more of a laugh, his or yours..
> > I mean, Just look at the 3 LOTR films
> > a MASSIVE 500+ mil usd to make the film and bring it to the market. Now
in
> > the BOX OFFICE ALONE the total sales is expected to reach 3 BN usd..
now..
> > Movie theatres say "We rarely profit from the ticket sales".. So one
would
> > assume that the majority of the ticket sale goes back to the mfgr.. For
you
> > we can go low, and say they make 50%.. so that's 1.5bn - .5bn or 1bn
profit
>
> Yes, one group of films out of many that don't break even in the
> theatre, and barely come close in the retail channel. Waterworld
> recently just made it's money back. This is money back, before profit.
>
> Or should studios only release profitable films?
>

No, I dont think that would be possible. What I am saying is that You
shouldnt need to pay 20$ for ghostbusters on DVD, They stay on top of
overkill until the product is completly dead.

> >
> > So now they release the DVD's, And games, and soundtracks, and posters,
and
> > so on and so on and so on ..
> >
> > Your telling me that the DVD selling for 26$-28$ is priced so high
because
> > it has to feed the people that made it? ..
> > Lets not forget that they have got their payment JUST from sales.. When
this
> > film makes 30bn and gives it's 300mil to the RIAA to stop people who
want to
> > make their own DVD for 3$ then I guess you can feel happy that your able
to
> > buy your food..
>
> The RIAA? That's music

You sure.. Check again.. all "media" formats come under the RIAA..

> And shipping, marketing, etc.

I counted marketing.. Shipping large volumes would be virtually nil (by thte
time you consider volume by cost) and be considered part of the "stores"
profit..

"jayembee" <> wrote in message
news: om...
> "Erich J. Schultheis" <> wrote:
>
> > I rented some movies from Blockbuster the other day and
> > tried to burn them to a DVD-R and my DVD recorder said
> > "Can Not Copy". The same thing happens when I borrow DVDs
> > from friends and when I try to copy my DVD disc for friends.
> > I can burn movies from digital cable and off the antenna
> > just fine. Is the DVD too high a resolution for my DVD
> > recorder or do I have a bad cable from my DVD player which
> > is preventing me from recording to DVD?
>
> No, that's not it. Most commercial DVDs have software called
> Macrovision on them to prevent them from being copied. That's
> for the express purpose of keeping you from doing exactly
> what you're trying to do: copy borrowed DVDs inside of buying
> your own legal copies.
>
> -- jayembee

Macrovision prevents you from making an analog copy of a DVD by recording
the output of a player onto a VHS or other tape, but preventing a digital
copy is the CSS encryption. There was a lot of buzz going on a few years go
when someone cracked the encryption and Hollywood **** a brick sideways.

"DarkMatter" <> wrote in message
news...
> On Fri, 2 Jan 2004 19:39:25 -0000, "rstlne" <.@.> Gave us:
>
> >I would bet that (riaa fees and sales company markup aside).. that the
cost
> >of that 10$ DVD (box & cover design & production of the case & dvd
itself)
> >is around 70c
>
> Yer full of ****. The final product is 70c each. The total cost of
> producing packaging is a large number though. Add it up.
>
> 70c times 10 million discs pressed.
>
> That's a 7 million dollar cost. There are artists, and renderers,
> and a whole team of folks involved, long before the art gets to the
> presses.
>
> You are so lost. So what it is only 70c per package? It is THEIR
> product.

The Inital cost was of the movie profit took care of the film marketing,
film production, all cost associated with making the film and bringing it to
market. The conversion (for modern) films from the reel to the dvd isnt
that high (or did this movie decide to record everything in non-digital then
edit after the fact)..

"Paul Landregan" <> wrote in message
news:bt4fco$37lg8$...
>
> "Erich J. Schultheis" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > I rented some movies from Blockbuster the other day and tried to burn
them
> to a DVD-R and my DVD recorder said "Can Not Copy".
> > The same thing happens when I borrow DVDs from friends and when I try to
> copy my DVD disc for friends.
> > I can burn movies from digital cable and off the antenna just fine.
> > Is the DVD too high a resolution for my DVD recorder or do I have a bad
> cable from my DVD player which is preventing me from recording to DVD?
> >
>
> DVD Decrypt, the use Clone DVD to compress and burn.
>
> Can not tell the different. But remember its strictly for archiving only.
> Duplicating someone else's DVD;'s is Illegal.
>
>

And renting and copying is dupliacating some else's DVD. There are ca $90
boxes that can decrypt the various codes between
a player and recorder....but you have to 'sign' a statement that by buying
such a thing you will not use it for the purposes
mentioned by the original poster.

"DarkMatter" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 06:17:54 +1100, Franc Zabkar
> <> Gave us:
>
> >
> >I agree with the others who decry piracy, but at the same time I'm
> >enraged at how the various world governments allow the movie industry
> >to openly flout restrictive trade practices legislation by dividing
> >the globe into marketing zones with the explicit intention of stifling
> >competition and manipulating pricing. We all know this is immoral and
> >illegal, and such practices should be prosecuted.
> >
> >
> >- Franc Zabkar
>
> You're an idiot. The hierarchy was based on the way movies trickled
> into the rest of the world, back in the day. That evolves, surely.
> Now, it is just business, and economy in a given region.
>
> It is their product, and it is their right to "price it" at whatever
> they want in whatever market they are selling it in.


Region codes are far more sinister than that and should be tested in the
courts.

"luminos" <> wrote in message
news:SdlJb.4601827$...
>
> "DarkMatter" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 06:17:54 +1100, Franc Zabkar
> > <> Gave us:
> >
> > >
> > >I agree with the others who decry piracy, but at the same time I'm
> > >enraged at how the various world governments allow the movie industry
> > >to openly flout restrictive trade practices legislation by dividing
> > >the globe into marketing zones with the explicit intention of stifling
> > >competition and manipulating pricing. We all know this is immoral and
> > >illegal, and such practices should be prosecuted.
> > >
> > >
> > >- Franc Zabkar
> >
> > You're an idiot. The hierarchy was based on the way movies trickled
> > into the rest of the world, back in the day. That evolves, surely.
> > Now, it is just business, and economy in a given region.
> >
> > It is their product, and it is their right to "price it" at whatever
> > they want in whatever market they are selling it in.
>
>
> Region codes are far more sinister than that and should be tested in the
> courts.
>
>
>

Yes region codes I will agree are annoying, though it's almost laughable how
easy they are to defeat, particularly now that you can get DVD players so
ridiculously cheap that if you don't feel like hacking one of those Apex or
similar units to be region free you can simply buy a second player for the
other region you want. In the end all it creates is a small hassle.

James Sweet wrote on [Fri, 02 Jan 2004 21:33:43 GMT]:
>
> "luminos" <> wrote in message
> news:SdlJb.4601827$...
>>
>> "DarkMatter" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>> > On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 06:17:54 +1100, Franc Zabkar
>> > <> Gave us:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >I agree with the others who decry piracy, but at the same time I'm
>> > >enraged at how the various world governments allow the movie industry
>> > >to openly flout restrictive trade practices legislation by dividing
>> > >the globe into marketing zones with the explicit intention of stifling
>> > >competition and manipulating pricing. We all know this is immoral and
>> > >illegal, and such practices should be prosecuted.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >- Franc Zabkar
>> >
>> > You're an idiot. The hierarchy was based on the way movies trickled
>> > into the rest of the world, back in the day. That evolves, surely.
>> > Now, it is just business, and economy in a given region.
>> >
>> > It is their product, and it is their right to "price it" at whatever
>> > they want in whatever market they are selling it in.
>>
>>
>> Region codes are far more sinister than that and should be tested in the
>> courts.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Yes region codes I will agree are annoying, though it's almost laughable how
> easy they are to defeat, particularly now that you can get DVD players so
> ridiculously cheap that if you don't feel like hacking one of those Apex or
> similar units to be region free you can simply buy a second player for the
> other region you want. In the end all it creates is a small hassle.

Hmmm.. I dunno about that line of logic, seeings as very few DVD players
can convert Anamorphic PAL perfectly to NTSC