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HDTV will be stunted if it's not used to present the best of cinema
from all ages... and that includes a major swag of films shot in
Academy ratio.
And the solution for home presentation will have to be to have a
decent-sized screen which won't make a film look "stunted" as someone
here described, due to the black-bars each side. That wouldn't be
"stunted" anyway, since the height will be the same for Academy ratio
movies -- the width will be different.
The clear analogy is with anamorphic movies shown on an
anamorphic-capable 4.3 ratio television.
My Loewe TV presents full-line display of anamorphic widescreen
movies, and the screen is large enough to match the size of most
present-day widescreen sets when it's in anamorphic mode. So I'm not
seeing a 'reduced' picture, just an appropriate ratio presentation.
And the all-black set is housed in a black cabinet so that when you're
viewing, the part of the screen being used is really the only thing
you notice. The black-bars disappear from consciousness........
And of course, for Academy-ratio movies, I've got the benefit of the
full height available.

"Joshua Zyber" wrote:
> Fair enough. I should have distinguished between the HD video master and
> the HDTV broadcast standards.

Which vary. In Australia, 576p is allowed to be called HD, sadly.


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On 11 Dec 2003 05:51:46 GMT, Waterperson77 <> scribbled:
>
> That is, 35 mm film has more resolution than HDTV, and therefore, anything
> filmed entirely on 35 mm film can be broadcast in HD. (such as the original
> Star Trek)

HDNet, an HD-only broadcaster, actually has created HD transfers of
episodes of Hogan's Heroes and Charlie's Angels (among others) from
the 35mm originals. Looks very nice.

But as others have pointed out: there's a difference between
shooting on 35mm and being HD.

VJM

Vincent J. Murphy wrote:
> On 11 Dec 2003 05:51:46 GMT, Waterperson77 <> scribbled:
>
>>That is, 35 mm film has more resolution than HDTV, and therefore, anything
>>filmed entirely on 35 mm film can be broadcast in HD. (such as the original
>>Star Trek)
>
>
> HDNet, an HD-only broadcaster, actually has created HD transfers of
> episodes of Hogan's Heroes and Charlie's Angels (among others) from
> the 35mm originals. Looks very nice.

Yes, they do look nice. There are slight black bars on the sides.

>DNet, an HD-only broadcaster, actually has created HD transfers of
>episodes of Hogan's Heroes and Charlie's Angels (among others) from
>the 35mm originals. Looks very nice.

yes. I've seen HDNET's broadcasts of "Hogan's Heroes" when I had it, and it
looked nice.

But what baffles me entirely is that they broadcast it in 16:9 widescreen and
it still looked good, and didn't seem to be out of proportion!!! and didn't
seem to be cropped either!!!!! (going by the headroom).

It was as though it was composed for 16:9 widescreen!!!! But surely "Hogan's
Hereoe's" wasn't composed for widescreen , since it was made in the 60's for
tv, which was all 4:3 at that time.

so I'm completely baffled regarding HDNET's broadcasts of it.

If it is cropped on HDNET, then showing it full frame would be what some of the
people in this newsgroup claimed that there's never that much headroom on
something composed for 4:3

so I'm totally and completely baffled by it now.

"Waterperson77" <> wrote in message
news:...
> >DNet, an HD-only broadcaster, actually has created HD transfers of
> >episodes of Hogan's Heroes and Charlie's Angels (among others) from
> >the 35mm originals. Looks very nice.
>
> yes. I've seen HDNET's broadcasts of "Hogan's Heroes" when I had it,
and it
> looked nice.
>
> But what baffles me entirely is that they broadcast it in 16:9
widescreen and
> it still looked good, and didn't seem to be out of proportion!!! and
didn't
> seem to be cropped either!!!!! (going by the headroom).

HDNET's broadcasts of these shows are partially cropped, partially
stretched. I think they look atrocious, but to each their own.

>HDNET's broadcasts of these shows are partially cropped, partially
>stretched. I think they look atrocious, but to each their own.
>

Thanks. That explains it. I'll have to check my videotapes again of the few
episodes I recorded from it.

I hadn't seen the show in so long until HDNET started rerunning it, I might
have forgotten how the original was supposed to look.

The HDNET broadcasts didn't seem bad to me at the time, but if they are
stretching and cropping it (and I'm sure you are correct), you are also correct
that it's atrocious.

"Waterperson77" <> wrote in message
news:...
> >HDNET's broadcasts of these shows are partially cropped, partially
> >stretched. I think they look atrocious, but to each their own.
>
> Thanks. That explains it. I'll have to check my videotapes again of
the few
> episodes I recorded from it.
>
> I hadn't seen the show in so long until HDNET started rerunning it, I
might
> have forgotten how the original was supposed to look.
>
> The HDNET broadcasts didn't seem bad to me at the time, but if they
are
> stretching and cropping it (and I'm sure you are correct), you are
also correct
> that it's atrocious.

Well, to be fair, doing it their way tends to look less awful than
simply cropping or stretching it all the way (look at ESPN for an
example of how NOT to show 4:3 content on an HD channel). Still, I'm not
fond of it.

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:57:01 GMT, "Joshua Zyber"
<> wrote:

>"Mark Spatny" <> wrote in message
>news: nk.net...
>> > No, "HD" means something specific. It means a video master is
>prepared
>> > in either 1080i or 720p resolution. A program shot on film can be
>> > mastered to HD video, but film and HD are not the same thing.
>>
>> Technically, by that definition you are leaving out 1080 24P, which is
>> the HDTV mastering medium of choice.
>
>Fair enough. I should have distinguished between the HD video master and
>the HDTV broadcast standards.

1080p24 is also a broadcast format so where is the distinction?

"Clyde Coffey" <> wrote in message
news:...
> >Fair enough. I should have distinguished between the HD video master
and
> >the HDTV broadcast standards.
>
> 1080p24 is also a broadcast format so where is the distinction?

And in what venue is this broadcast format actually being broadcast?