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<XC5Cb.436858$>, Biz
<> wrote:


> I agree with you...The series made much more sense and flowed much better
> after they showed the redone pilot "Serenity"
>
> FOX screwed the pooch on that one.
>
> OT, but its gretting really bad these days. NBC has had what I feel are
> some pretty good new shows, compared to all that reality crap, in "The Lyons
> Den", "Boomtown", and even "Mister Sterling", but none of them seem to have
> survived. I dont know what the heck those execs at NBC are thinking...
>
Obviously, they are thinking that they are Fox executives...

CoJ

In article < >, Jordan
Lund <> wrote:

> "C.O.Jones" <> wrote in message
> news:<101220031305153573%>...
>
> > You do know that this was not the original, unseen pilot?
>
> From what I understand the original pilot was even more humorless so
> again, I don't see it as a bad thing that Fox shelved it. If I had
> watched Firefly for the first time and thought Mal was an asshole I
> wouldn't have watched it again. The Train Job showed a Mal to be very
> likeable.

You seem to be in the extreme minority here. But that's ok. The great
thing about a DVD set is that you can watch them in any order you like.
I believe I get a better flow watching Serenity first. By the way,
technically, I think JAYNE is a bigger asshole than Mal, and I think
Jayne is GREAT!

> I mean, would Star Trek have gone on to be what it is if everyone
> hated Kirk?

I thought everyone DID hate Kirk?!

> Of course not

Your opinion, and very much debatable.

> and I don't think Firefly would have the
> nascent fan-base that it does now if the 2 hour pilot had been the
> intro to the series.

I agree with you there! If the Pilot had been shown first, instead of
last, I believe that Firefly would have been WAY more successful.

CoJ

"Biz" <> wrote in message
news:XC5Cb.436858$...
>
> "jayembee" <> wrote in message
> news: om...
> > (Jordan Lund) wrote:
> >
> > > I sat down with the boxed set of Firefly last night
and I
> > > have to admit, I think Fox did the right thing by
bouncing
> > > the 2-hour pilot. Yes, it has a lot of the backstory,
but
> > > in the end Mal comes across like an insufferable
prick.
> > > He's much softer in the train robbery episode which is
> > > what Fox used to launch the series.
> >
> > I disagree. I think "Serenity" is a much stronger
opening.
> > Is Mal an insufferable prick? Sure, I suppose. But
that's
> > part of what makes it work: he has reasons for being
one,
> > and what follows helps soften him a bit.
> >
> > -- jayembee
>
> I agree with you...The series made much more sense and
flowed much better
> after they showed the redone pilot "Serenity"
>
> FOX screwed the pooch on that one.

No doubt about it. It's a manuever they have down pat.

> OT, but its gretting really bad these days. NBC has had
what I feel are
> some pretty good new shows, compared to all that reality
crap, in "The Lyons
> Den", "Boomtown", and even "Mister Sterling", but none of
them seem to have
> survived. I dont know what the heck those execs at NBC
are thinking...

At least we're getting three previously unaired "Boomtown"
episodes on 12/27.

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In article < >,
Jordan Lund <> wrote:
>"C.O.Jones" <> wrote in message news:<101220031305153573%>...
>
>> You do know that this was not the original, unseen pilot?
>
>From what I understand the original pilot was even more humorless so
>again, I don't see it as a bad thing that Fox shelved it. If I had
>watched Firefly for the first time and thought Mal was an asshole I
>wouldn't have watched it again. The Train Job showed a Mal to be very
>likeable.
>
>I mean, would Star Trek have gone on to be what it is if everyone
>hated Kirk? Of course not and I don't think Firefly would have the
>nascent fan-base that it does now if the 2 hour pilot had been the
>intro to the series.

Hmm... possibly. I hated The Train Job, and didn't enjoy Bushwacked,
so it came as a great surprise to me when the third episode was good,
and they kept getting better after that.

I watched The Train Job last night, and after knowing the characters
more (from Serenity, and of course later episodes), I actually liked
it a lot. I suspect that knowing the characters better by seeing the
pilot would have made me appreciate The Train Job more, instead of
making me almost give up on the show entirely.


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Not speaking for my employer in any way.

Biz wrote on [Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:48:39 GMT]:
>
> OT, but its gretting really bad these days. NBC has had what I feel are
> some pretty good new shows, compared to all that reality crap, in "The Lyons
> Den", "Boomtown", and even "Mister Sterling", but none of them seem to have
> survived. I dont know what the heck those execs at NBC are thinking...

They're thinking "Well damn, these shows didn't become the ratings
gatherers we'd hoped them to be. We don't care about the content of our
shows, just that they bring in lots of ad revenue. Nevermind that dramas
need to BUILD an audience over TIME."

(Jordan Lund) wrote in message news:<. com>...
> I sat down with the boxed set of Firefly last night and I have to
> admit, I think Fox did the right thing by bouncing the 2-hour pilot.

I completely disagree. They bounced the pilot so that it ended up
being the last thing they broadcast and it was where we were
introduced to all the characters. That is just ridiculous. Fox screwed
up big time. If the pilot had been shown first, the series might have
actually survived its first season. It's just another typical shithead
move by the Fux Network.

Smaug69

(Jordan Lund) wrote in message news:<. com>...
> "C.O.Jones" <> wrote in message news:<101220031305153573%>...
>
> > You do know that this was not the original, unseen pilot?
>
> From what I understand the original pilot was even more humorless so
> again,

There is almost no difference between the first pilot and the one that
was aired. Someone else in this thread pointed out the differences.

Smaug69

Smaug69 wrote on [11 Dec 2003 20:52:10 -0800]:
> (Jordan Lund) wrote in message news:<. com>...
>> I sat down with the boxed set of Firefly last night and I have to
>> admit, I think Fox did the right thing by bouncing the 2-hour pilot.
>
> I completely disagree. They bounced the pilot so that it ended up
> being the last thing they broadcast and it was where we were
> introduced to all the characters. That is just ridiculous. Fox screwed
> up big time. If the pilot had been shown first, the series might have
> actually survived its first season. It's just another typical shithead
> move by the Fux Network.

Throw in the rest of the weird airing order....and the Friday night
airing.

Remember how they really messed up the SA:AB airing? Preemptions, moving
around the schedule...

Buffy the Vampire Slayer was not a ratings king the first season, but it was
given time to grow and it really worked.

AceOhearts

In article <111220031628060050%> in
alt.video.dvd, C.O.Jones <> wrote:
>In article < >, Jordan
>Lund <> wrote:
>> I mean, would Star Trek have gone on to be what it is if everyone
>> hated Kirk?
>
>I thought everyone DID hate Kirk?!

No, everyone hated William Shatner!

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