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written by Philip Traum <(E-Mail Removed)> on 12/7/2003 1:49:07 PM in alt.magic.secrets:

> Read what you just replyed to again SLOWLY this time. What LINKS can Igive you from pictures in a
> BOOK? Some book I picked up at a bookstore when I was researching thisand wanted to verify that I
> could find the picture in a regular book of moon landing photos that was not related to any conspiracy
> theory, just photographic history.

A picture like this would be all over the conspiracy sites. Even the
name of the book would be helpful.

> If there are any online, you will have to find them yourself, it will take the same effort if you look
> for them or if I do. I have seen them on line a few years ago, but I have no idea where that was, it
> would take me just as long to search for it as it would you, and since YOU are the one who wants to see
> it, YOU should do the work. I did the work years ago when I wanted to see it. Since I already seen
> it and know it exists, I don't need to find it again, I know that it exists.


/e spend 20 seconds at Google, finds a dead page, looks at the cached
copy, changes his Google search, and finds this:

The picture in question is, I don't doubt here:

From the page: "If you would also notice that in the place marked F,
mysteriously there is a footprint."

> No, I am not making any claim, I am just reporting photographic facts. If you think up some bizarre
> claim that goes against photographic history, like that we actually did land on the moon, then it is up
> to YOU to prove that bizarre conspiracy theory.

You claimed there were "Photos of moon lander on top of footprints that
would have had to be there before it landed and astronauts got out is
also nothing we need to prove."

That footprint (if it even is a footprint) did not necessarily have to
be there before the LEM landed. It's quite possible that it's *behind*
the LEM's foot you see in the foreground, not *under* it. It's hard to
say for certain with a 2D picture, but it does appear to be behind it.

As has been explained, the astronauts stored equipment under the LEM, so
they had to go under it to retrieve that equipment.

> Don't be an idiot. If you could explain it in any way, I could do it too, and I have a lot more
> intelligence in my head than you do!

I'd debate this with you, but I'm not lowering myself to your level to
insult your intelligence.

> There is nothing to explain, other than the OBVIOUS that the
> footprint was placed on the set before the lander was placed on top of the footprint.

It also could be that the footprint was behind the LEM's leg and was
placed there when the astronauts went under the LEM to retrieve their

> See what I mean about you being an idiot? And YOU want to look at the pictures to EXPLAIN them to
> ME?? LOL!

*If* the LEM landed in the spot of a previous mission, or in a spot were
astronauts of a previous mission had travelled, the dust under the
landing gear would not be disturbed by the exhaust, since there is no
air for the exhaust to push around. You're thinking of how dust behaves
on Earth, not how it behaves in a vacuum.

However, looking at the picture, it is more likely that it is just under
the LEM, behind the landing gear.

> > Really? I've never seen that in the Bible.

> Perhaps you should try READING it, rather than just waving it around then.

When did I *ever* wave the Bible around in here? I'm not the one putting
Bible quotes in my signature.

> Here are some other quotes from that mythology bullshit book you most likely have not seen also:

The Bible has nothing to do with this discussion, so I'm not going to
give you the pleasure of debating it.


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