Indy: changes to the movie?

Hi all,

I have read that they made some "clean ups" to Raiders of the Lost Ark
for the DVD. One web site said 14 specific changes. I know they
digitally erased the snake reflection, does anyone have a list of the
other changes?

Scott

Scott P

Scott P <> wrote:

>I have read that they made some "clean ups" to Raiders of the Lost Ark
>for the DVD. One web site said 14 specific changes. I know they
>digitally erased the snake reflection, does anyone have a list of the
>other changes?

The Big Arab shoots first.

-- jayembee

jayembee

jayembee <> wrote in
news::

> Scott P <> wrote:
>
>>I have read that they made some "clean ups" to Raiders of the Lost Ark
>>for the DVD. One web site said 14 specific changes. I know they
>>digitally erased the snake reflection, does anyone have a list of the
>>other changes?
>
> The Big Arab shoots first.
>
> -- jayembee
>

But not before Greedo.

C. Montgomery Burns

On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 01:30:29 GMT, jayembee
<> wrote:

>Scott P <> wrote:
>
>>I have read that they made some "clean ups" to Raiders of the Lost Ark
>>for the DVD. One web site said 14 specific changes. I know they
>>digitally erased the snake reflection, does anyone have a list of the
>>other changes?
>
>The Big Arab shoots first.

That's why I'm not going to buy this set. The Arab waving the sword
aobut and Jones knowing his goose was cooked unless he took the
initiative was one of the funniest things in the whole series. Lucas
has no right to revise film history.

... Steve .

P.S. I saw Star Wars in the cinema the day it premiered. The changes
from that showing to the final theatrical cut also removed a lot of
the humour, such as the guards calling on the gates to be closed as
leia etc. dash through the death star so that they could be stopped,
then calling on the doors to be opened again. The final cut just has
the doors being called to be opened. Also the pace was slower without
the wipe edits. -- Things like that...
>
>-- jayembee

Steve(JazzHunter)

>That's why I'm not going to buy this set. The Arab waving the sword
>aobut and Jones knowing his goose was cooked unless he took the
>initiative was one of the funniest things in the whole series. Lucas
>has no right to revise film history.

Dude, he was joking. The Cairo swordsman doesn't shoot first. The only
changes are small cosmetic touchups, nothing major, although I'm still not
thrilled about any sort of revisionism.
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"That's the worst reverse-acting I've ever seen!" -Sam Raimi

CLOSEDOWN8

I've always admired Indy's long breath of oxygen(!) ...right after he
puts himself on top of the descending submarine!

Then we see the sub image blending in to the sea-map, with the sub shown
heading toward the secret Nazi island!

And when we see Indy again, he's already off the sub and in hiding (but
not for long). NOW _THAT_ WAS ONE SUPER BREATH OF OXYGEN which supplied
Indy during the sub's descent to the secret island.

As [the Sage of South Central/LA] Larry Elder says... "Now Come'on!!
...What's that all about?"

Mondo Kane

Mondo Kane

On 22 Oct 2003 05:05:14 GMT, mbleek (CLOSEDOWN
wrote:

>>That's why I'm not going to buy this set. The Arab waving the sword
>>aobut and Jones knowing his goose was cooked unless he took the
>>initiative was one of the funniest things in the whole series. Lucas
>>has no right to revise film history.
>
>Dude, he was joking. The Cairo swordsman doesn't shoot first. The only
>changes are small cosmetic touchups, nothing major, although I'm still not
>thrilled about any sort of revisionism.

Heheh, well I knew the Arab couldn't shoot at all, but I thought that
Indy was supposed to have now been threatened more definitely, so him
shooting was self-defence rather than saving face. IF that scene is
indeed untouched, then I will buy the DVD set.

I agree any sort of revisionism is a no-no. Lucas once made good
films. Watching "Star Wars" (a New Hope) leaves one with a visceral
feeling of having been in the presence of a film Masterpiece. Lucas
no longer knows how to make films, so it is frightening that from his
current perspective he should be altering what was so inalienably
CORRECT in the first place.

.. Steve ..
>--------------------------------
>"That's the worst reverse-acting I've ever seen!" -Sam Raimi

Steve(JazzHunter)

mbleek (CLOSEDOWN wrote in message

> Dude, he was joking. The Cairo swordsman doesn't shoot first.

Thank God for Matt Stone and Trey Parker over at South Park.

-Eric

Eric R.

(Mondo Kane) writes:

> I've always admired Indy's long breath of oxygen(!) ...right after he
> puts himself on top of the descending submarine!
>
> Then we see the sub image blending in to the sea-map, with the sub shown
> heading toward the secret Nazi island!
>
> And when we see Indy again, he's already off the sub and in hiding (but
> not for long). NOW _THAT_ WAS ONE SUPER BREATH OF OXYGEN which supplied
> Indy during the sub's descent to the secret island.
>
> As [the Sage of South Central/LA] Larry Elder says... "Now Come'on!!
> ..What's that all about?"
>
> Mondo Kane
>

The subs don't submerge unless they are in battle/stealth mode. They
had internal combustion engines which need air (unlike todays nuclear
subs). You stay submerged to just travel you'll loose your air supply
quickly for no reason.

--
Scott Streeter

http://www.wpi.edu/~ss/

Scott Streeter

(Mondo Kane) wrote in message news:<6010-3F961743->...
> I've always admired Indy's long breath of oxygen(!) ...right after he
> puts himself on top of the descending submarine!
>
> Then we see the sub image blending in to the sea-map, with the sub shown
> heading toward the secret Nazi island!
>
> And when we see Indy again, he's already off the sub and in hiding (but
> not for long). NOW _THAT_ WAS ONE SUPER BREATH OF OXYGEN which supplied
> Indy during the sub's descent to the secret island.
>
> As [the Sage of South Central/LA] Larry Elder says... "Now Come'on!!
> ..What's that all about?"
>
> Mondo Kane

But does the sub really go underwater, or just get lower in the water?

Before subs went nuclear, they used electric batteries underwater,
and diesel engines while on the surface. The batteries had limited
range, and needed to be recharged by the diesel engines. I seem
to recall reading that there were some other limitations (in the oxygen
area maybe) on how long those old subs could stay submerged, and
they may even have moved faster on the surface.

So, you'd submerge only when necessary, and do most of your
travelling on the surface. They went to some obscure island, and
so one could imagine they did not go that far.

Keep in mind also, there was no war going on. There wasn't much
reason to be hidden, though nothing is ever said about the piracy
when they take the crate.

So there may not have been any reason for them to submerge.

Michael

Michael Black