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Goldfinger
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      09-29-2003
Just finished watching Season 2 this weekend and I just want to say I'm
disappointed. And I'm not talking about how Bauer can sustain a wooden
stake wound without limping for 2 seconds or a torture that's easily the
most intense in TV history to date and be shooting at the "bad guys" minutes
after being resuscitated back to life. Let's just compare season 1 & 2.

Main plot: Assassination of the first black presidency candidate vs.
terrorists planted a nuke in LA

Comparing to the assassination plot, the terrorists plot clearly lacks
ingenuity. You cannot throw a rock into a Blockbuster without hitting a
video on terrorists targeting the good old America. Do we need more?

In fact, we have seen so many terrorist movies that a man with half a brain
will know that the bomb will not go off in LA in the end. There's no
feeling of imminent danger unlike that in Season 1, which is what makes this
series good. I don't have the same urge to watch season 2 episode after
episode like I did with season 1.

Subplot 1: Kim and Terrie are kidnapped vs. Kim wanders around stupid in LA

What has Kim got to do with the plot in Season 2? In Season 1, at least you
know getting the kidnappers of Kim and Terrie will lead you to the people
who planned the assassination.

LA and America are in danger and we are supposed to care about Kim and
little Megan! Give me a break, Mr. Screen writer. Kim is a looker who has
a nice rack but if I want more of that, I would just tune into the playboy
channel instead.

Subplot 2: The Mole vs. The Palace Coup

I like the mole plot better even thought the palace coup plot is not too
bad. But I just feel that the palace coup plot a little clichéd and
contrived.

Main Characters:

The conflicts among various characters in season 1, Jack dating Nina, Tony
vs. Jack, Tony vs. George Mason, Tony, Jack and Nina vs. Alberta Green,
Sherry vs. David etc are realistic and believable.

The season 2 conflict setup doesn't exhibit the same degree of fineness. It
seems like season 2 just created an omnipotent higher power and everything
just stems from there, like how Chappral orders Tony to focus on war plans
instead of the audio tape.

How to keep the series going:

Only one suggestion - anything less than performing the first ever strip
tease on network TVs, Kim has to go!




 
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rjacobs
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      09-30-2003
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> Just finished watching Season 2 this weekend and I just want to say I'm
> disappointed.


You have *very* high standards.


 
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Bil Gonzalez
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      09-30-2003
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> How to keep the series going:
>
> Only one suggestion - anything less than performing the first ever strip
> tease on network TVs, Kim has to go!


I whole-heartedly agree. I found her subplot painful to watch in the first
season, and even more so in the second. What they really need to do, now
that she has killed someone, is have her train to become an agent.

BTW, anyone else have the feeling that the writers wimped out on a lesbian
subplot with Michelle/Carrie?

-BG


 
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Goldfinger
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      09-30-2003

"Bil Gonzalez" <> wrote in message
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> I whole-heartedly agree. I found her subplot painful to watch in the

first
> season, and even more so in the second. What they really need to do, now
> that she has killed someone, is have her train to become an agent.


The 1st season subplot involving Kim and Terrie is part of the main plot.
The 2nd season subplot has nothing to do with the show whatsoever. Still,
we have been treated to the obligatory phone call from Kim to Jack, who's
either shooting at someone, being shot by someone, piloting a plane in a
suicide mission or stripped naked being tortured. Among all these, we are
still supposed to care about Kim and her little Megan?

> BTW, anyone else have the feeling that the writers wimped out on a lesbian
> subplot with Michelle/Carrie?


I don't sense any lesbian thing going on between Michelle and Carrie. It'll
be interesting to see Michelle and Carrier play a power game in Season 3,
though.


 
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jayembee
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      09-30-2003
"Goldfinger" <> wrote:

>"Bil Gonzalez" <> wrote:


>> BTW, anyone else have the feeling that the writers wimped out on a lesbian
>> subplot with Michelle/Carrie?

>
>I don't sense any lesbian thing going on between Michelle and Carrie. It'll
>be interesting to see Michelle and Carrier play a power game in Season 3,
>though.


Oh, I have to agree with Bill. Until the truth was revealed, I was
absolutely convinced that the bad blood between them had to do with
them having been ex-lovers, and that being why they didn't want to
tell Tony.

-- jayembee
 
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lalil@lule.lo
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      10-01-2003
I only started to watch the show in the middle of the 2nd season. Was
not impressed at all by a single plot (nuke) dragging on for the whole
season. Only towards the last several episodes did the show really
pick up a proper pace. Then came the impossible stamina and
incredible bad luck of Jack....yet that still didn't compare with the
excessive and tiresome use of the (supposedly heart-)pounding sound
that brackets commerical breaks, as if they never have anything that's
actually thrilling enough.

I like the palace coup though. Too bad (according to spoliers) that
the "toxic handshake" apparently was not toxic after all....

Rick
 
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Lawrence Wilson
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      10-04-2003

"Goldfinger" <> wrote in message
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> Just finished watching Season 2 this weekend and I just want to say I'm
> disappointed. And I'm not talking about how Bauer can sustain a wooden
> stake wound without limping for 2 seconds or a torture that's easily the
> most intense in TV history to date and be shooting at the "bad guys"

minutes
> after being resuscitated back to life. Let's just compare season 1 & 2.
>
> Main plot: Assassination of the first black presidency candidate vs.
> terrorists planted a nuke in LA
>
> Comparing to the assassination plot, the terrorists plot clearly lacks
> ingenuity. You cannot throw a rock into a Blockbuster without hitting a
> video on terrorists targeting the good old America. Do we need more?
>
> In fact, we have seen so many terrorist movies that a man with half a

brain
> will know that the bomb will not go off in LA in the end. There's no
> feeling of imminent danger unlike that in Season 1, which is what makes

this
> series good. I don't have the same urge to watch season 2 episode after
> episode like I did with season 1.
>
> Subplot 1: Kim and Terrie are kidnapped vs. Kim wanders around stupid in

LA
>
> What has Kim got to do with the plot in Season 2? In Season 1, at least

you
> know getting the kidnappers of Kim and Terrie will lead you to the people
> who planned the assassination.
>
> LA and America are in danger and we are supposed to care about Kim and
> little Megan! Give me a break, Mr. Screen writer. Kim is a looker who

has
> a nice rack but if I want more of that, I would just tune into the playboy
> channel instead.
>
> Subplot 2: The Mole vs. The Palace Coup
>
> I like the mole plot better even thought the palace coup plot is not too
> bad. But I just feel that the palace coup plot a little clichéd and
> contrived.
>
> Main Characters:
>
> The conflicts among various characters in season 1, Jack dating Nina, Tony
> vs. Jack, Tony vs. George Mason, Tony, Jack and Nina vs. Alberta Green,
> Sherry vs. David etc are realistic and believable.
>
> The season 2 conflict setup doesn't exhibit the same degree of fineness.

It
> seems like season 2 just created an omnipotent higher power and everything
> just stems from there, like how Chappral orders Tony to focus on war plans
> instead of the audio tape.
>
> How to keep the series going:
>
> Only one suggestion - anything less than performing the first ever strip
> tease on network TVs, Kim has to go!
>
>
>
>
>

I actually liked the second season, but I think that it did suffer because
it had to measure up to the first one. I thought the casting was excellent
(Reiko Aylesworth and Michelle Forbes were my faves, and Franceso Quinn was
great), but I think the story line really did stretch the limits of
believability.

I can't help wondering if the absence of Stephen Hopkins might've had
something to do with it. The episodes he directed are the best of the
series--taut, exciting and believable, certainly more so than some of this
season's.

All I can say, is that I hope they explain the entire bit with Mandy. I'd
almost forgot about her, and it'll be interesting to hear what they have to
say about her. Also, let's hope that now that Kim is working for CTU, there
won't be anymore of the typical Kim storylines.

Finally, I can't wait to see what they have Andrea Thompson doing this year.
I've been missing her since she left "NYPD Blue."


 
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Mark Spatny
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      10-04-2003
Goldfinger, says...
> Just finished watching Season 2 this weekend and I just want to say I'm
> disappointed.


I have to agree. Season 1 was phenomenal. I watched season 2 mostly on
momentum, hoping it would get back to the quality of the first one. The
entire Kim sub-plot was so annoying, I was sure the writers would
eventually kill her off due to complaints from viewers. The first season
was riveting. I couldn't take my eyes off it. Season 2, I flipped the
channel every time Kim came on screen. Yeah, she's gorgeous, but every
time she's on screen the story comes to a screeching halt.

Season 3, if the rumors are true, will likely suck.
 
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Slartibartfast
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      10-04-2003

"Lawrence Wilson" <> wrote in message
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> I actually liked the second season, but I think that it did suffer because
> it had to measure up to the first one. I thought the casting was excellent
> (Reiko Aylesworth and Michelle Forbes were my faves, and Franceso Quinn

was
> great), but I think the story line really did stretch the limits of
> believability.


More than having a woman take a plane on the night before a major
assassination attempt, so that she could shag a photographer, and snatch his
ID without him noticing and then parachute out of the plane with no risk of
anyone trying to stop her, or incurring an injury as the plane exploded, and
then landing within a few hundred yards of her intended rendezvous?
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Goldfinger
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      10-06-2003

"Slartibartfast" <> wrote in message
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> More than having a woman take a plane on the night before a major
> assassination attempt, so that she could shag a photographer, and snatch

his
> ID without him noticing and then parachute out of the plane with no risk

of
> anyone trying to stop her, or incurring an injury as the plane exploded,

and
> then landing within a few hundred yards of her intended rendezvous?


TV shows are tv shows. Both plots of S1 and S2 are not believable but at
least I am excited by the S1 plot.

S2 plot just feels trite and old because we've seen it one thousand and one
times before. There's no suspension in S2as you know the Reza/Warner family
is involved somehow, and you know (who else?) a middle East terrorist group
is involved. You know the bomb is in LA and you knwo LA will not be bombed.
The only surpise left is how will it end.

In S1, you don't know who plots the assissination, you don't know when and
you don't know how. You don't even know how Kim and Terrie are involved.


 
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