Re: DVD burner for $200???

On 26 Aug 2003, (Dean Richard) spake thusly, as shown in
news: om:

> 1) Works with inexpensive blank DVDs
Best to not skimp on the media. The headaches aren't worth it.
(Seriously...)

> 2) Support for both DVD+ and DVD-
Irrelevant. Pick one or the other. Both work as well as the other. The
combos are just a gimmick to get you to pay more. (Again, seriously...)


> 3) Speed
Always, always (ALWAYS!!!) burn video at 1x or you'll face problems
including skips, jerks, and A/V sync issues... (Data can safely be burned
at whatever your top speed may be.)


> 4) Reliability
Ehhh... Just go with any major name like Pioneer, or in my case the now
bankrupt Cendyne (which was actually a Pioneer drive with the Cendyne name)

Avoid Sony burners. Sony is also a movie house, so they're not really keen
on making their drives burn video well for some reason. <G>

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in article , DVDHelp.us at
wrote on 9/2/03 12:03 PM:

> On 26 Aug 2003, (Dean Richard) spake thusly, as shown in
> news: om:
>
>> 1) Works with inexpensive blank DVDs
> Best to not skimp on the media. The headaches aren't worth it.
> (Seriously...)

I never pay more than $1 a disk. I've never created a coaster. Why throw
away money on more expensive disks? I learned my lesson back in the early
days of CD-R. Many of the more expensive disks ended up not working or
lasting as long as the cheapies.

>> 2) Support for both DVD+ and DVD-
> Irrelevant. Pick one or the other. Both work as well as the other. The
> combos are just a gimmick to get you to pay more. (Again, seriously...)

Not irrelevant. Pick one and watch your player only work with the other.
DVD-R is the most compatible format, but there are players that only work
with +.

There are also speed and cost of media advantages. All things being equal,
go with a combo. I've found it useful myself to be able to burn +R disks
for friends who I would not have been able to if I hadn't gotten the combo,
since my own needs are exclusive to -R.

>> 3) Speed
> Always, always (ALWAYS!!!) burn video at 1x or you'll face problems
> including skips, jerks, and A/V sync issues... (Data can safely be burned
> at whatever your top speed may be.)

Must be those expensive disks you're using. I always burn at maximum speed
which is 4x for my drive and for my disks. Again, let me say that I've
never produced a coaster.

Jesus, expensive media, 1X, and as others I've seen suggest, only use one
DVD burner at a time...what a bunch of pussies. Why not just have mommie
pop in Piglets Movie into the VHS/TV combo and sit on her lap in your Sunday
dress!

>> 4) Reliability
> Ehhh... Just go with any major name like Pioneer, or in my case the now
> bankrupt Cendyne (which was actually a Pioneer drive with the Cendyne name)
>
> Avoid Sony burners. Sony is also a movie house, so they're not really keen
> on making their drives burn video well for some reason. <G>

I have a Pioneer and a Sony both installed in my Mac, on the same IDE. Yet
again, I've never had any coasters. The Pioneer is slightly faster at
burning -R than the Sony, but my Pioneer is - while my Sony is combo. Also
my Pioneer is compatible with iDVD...though I usually use DVD Studio Pro
and/or Toast anyway.

keved

"DVDHelp.us" <> wrote in message
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> On 26 Aug 2003, (Dean Richard) spake thusly, as shown
in
> news: om:
>
> > 1) Works with inexpensive blank DVDs
> Best to not skimp on the media. The headaches aren't worth it.
> (Seriously...)

Get a good burner like a Sony and it won't matter. The Sony DRU 510 burns
everything I've thrown at it.



>
> > 2) Support for both DVD+ and DVD-
> Irrelevant. Pick one or the other. Both work as well as the other. The
> combos are just a gimmick to get you to pay more. (Again, seriously...)

Mmmm...not really. The Pioneer dual format drives are cheaper than most
single format drives. Do some research.


>
>
> > 3) Speed
> Always, always (ALWAYS!!!) burn video at 1x or you'll face problems
> including skips, jerks, and A/V sync issues... (Data can safely be burned
> at whatever your top speed may be.)]

Bunk. If you have sync issues or bad burns, you have problems elsewhere. Bad
player, bad burner, or no knowledge.


>
>
> > 4) Reliability
> Ehhh... Just go with any major name like Pioneer, or in my case the now
> bankrupt Cendyne (which was actually a Pioneer drive with the Cendyne
name)
>
> Avoid Sony burners. Sony is also a movie house, so they're not really keen
> on making their drives burn video well for some reason. <G>

Never used the Sony burner, eh? Obvious.

Pug Fugley

> Get a good burner like a Sony and it won't matter. The Sony DRU 510 burns
> everything I've thrown at it.

DVD-Ram ?

Alan Shepherd

"Alan Shepherd" <> wrote in message
news:YTa5b.1059$...
> > Get a good burner like a Sony and it won't matter. The Sony DRU 510
burns
> > everything I've thrown at it.
>
> DVD-Ram ?

No, I don't throw **** at it.

Pug Fugley

"Alan Shepherd" <> wrote in message
news:YTa5b.1059$...
> > Get a good burner like a Sony and it won't matter. The Sony DRU 510
burns
> > everything I've thrown at it.
>
> DVD-Ram ?
>

I actually saw a drive in Best Buy the other day that did +, -, and RAM.
Don't remember the brand, but it was the first one I saw that did them all.

Commentator

On 02 Sep 2003, keved <> spake thusly, as
shown in news:BB7A4A14.1CE3A%:

> I never pay more than $1 a disk. I've never created a coaster. Why
> throw away money on more expensive disks? I learned my lesson back in
> the early days of CD-R. Many of the more expensive disks ended up not
> working or lasting as long as the cheapies.
More power to you. I use cheapies myself, but if you've read some of the
horror stories that I've heard on my site, you'd understand why, as a
rule, I don't suggest cheapies for most folks. It's ultimately up to the
burner. My burner works fine with cheapies. Others aren't so lucky.


> Not irrelevant. Pick one and watch your player only work with the
> other. DVD-R is the most compatible format, but there are players that
> only work with +.
>
> There are also speed and cost of media advantages. All things being
> equal, go with a combo. I've found it useful myself to be able to
> burn +R disks for friends who I would not have been able to if I
> hadn't gotten the combo, since my own needs are exclusive to -R.
Again, this is a "you" issue, and not necessarily right for most folks.
I wish you the best of luck with it, as long as it works for you.


> Must be those expensive disks you're using. I always burn at maximum
> speed which is 4x for my drive and for my disks. Again, let me say
> that I've never produced a coaster.
That's you. You've been lucky, or you happen to have a drive that
doesn't have issues with fast burns. Most folks aren't so lucky. But all
in all, this is a technical issue, and not one that is really even up
for opinion. Any rea; tech worth his salt will tell you that just
because it works, doesn't mean that it's the right way to do it. For
instance, you can record a video that is not to DVD/VCD/SVCD specs and
still have it play in your player. People do this all the time, and then
coem into groups like this and try and convince the rest of the world
that their "new" method is right. t isn't. They just happen to be able
to get away with it.

> Jesus, expensive media, 1X, and as others I've seen suggest, only use
> one DVD burner at a time...what a bunch of pussies. Why not just have
> mommie pop in Piglets Movie into the VHS/TV combo and sit on her lap
> in your Sunday dress!
<insert random insult here>

>>> 4) Reliability
>> Ehhh... Just go with any major name like Pioneer, or in my case the
>> now bankrupt Cendyne (which was actually a Pioneer drive with the
>> Cendyne name)
>>
>> Avoid Sony burners. Sony is also a movie house, so they're not really
>> keen on making their drives burn video well for some reason. <G>
>
> I have a Pioneer and a Sony both installed in my Mac, on the same IDE.
> Yet again, I've never had any coasters. The Pioneer is slightly
> faster at burning -R than the Sony, but my Pioneer is - while my Sony
> is combo. Also my Pioneer is compatible with iDVD...though I usually
> use DVD Studio Pro and/or Toast anyway.
Ah.. You have a calculator. Er. I mean, a Mac. Very nice.

At this point, the author of this post signals to the others in the room
to simply nod and smile politely at the "high tech" Mac user (who, by
virtue of owning a Mac because someone who owned one 15 years ago told
him that they are "kinda neat", is therefore an automatic expert in all
things video) while slowly backing away. (No sudden movements, though!)

LOL. Dude... Ge a real computer, then we'll talk shop. <G>

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On 02 Sep 2003, "Pug Fugley" <> spake thusly, as shown
in newsya5b.16959$ link.net:

> Bunk. If you have sync issues or bad burns, you have problems
> elsewhere. Bad player, bad burner, or no knowledge.

And on what, exactly, are you basing this assumption? Sync issues as the
result of fast burns have been an issue since the days when VCD first came
out. The laws of physics haven't changed, unless I missed that email alert.


The slower the burn, the deeper the burn. Period.

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in article , DVDHelp.us at
thus spake on 9/3/03 12:08 AM:


> Ah.. You have a calculator. Er. I mean, a Mac. Very nice.
>
> At this point, the author of this post signals to the others in the room
> to simply nod and smile politely at the "high tech" Mac user (who, by
> virtue of owning a Mac because someone who owned one 15 years ago told
> him that they are "kinda neat", is therefore an automatic expert in all
> things video) while slowly backing away. (No sudden movements, though!)
>
> LOL. Dude... Ge a real computer, then we'll talk shop. <G>


Oh, man.

Y'know, I almost always get something out of your posts here. You're calm
and rational, presenting cogent, well-reasoned and helpful opinions;
documented when necessary; everything, in short, that a number of other
posters here who shall remain nameless (*cough*) aren't.

I'd be disappointed if you undermined all of that with uncalled-for platform
sniping. That may or may not matter to you but I just needed to get it
aired.

Sorry for the tangent. And now, back to your regularly scheduled program....

Neal
--
"Is Graham Chapman really dead or is he just being difficult?" - Eric Idle

Ray Tracer

> > Get a good burner like a Sony and it won't matter. The Sony DRU 510
> burns
> > > everything I've thrown at it.
> >
> > DVD-Ram ?
> >
>
> I actually saw a drive in Best Buy the other day that did +, -, and RAM.
> Don't remember the brand, but it was the first one I saw that did them
all.


Iomega - It's also overpriced, and DVD-Ram is a niche product, it's
outperformed by HDD's if you have the space.

Alan Shepherd