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Steve Young wrote:

>>>Steve Young wrote:
>>>The second may be an itsy bit far fetched, but a desire
>>>which maybe can be accomplished. Both groups have
>>>a porno troll problem and I'll bet a majority would rather not see
>>> this posted here. Our charters should maybe have a paragraph
>>>on conduct and behavior. I think maybe it should be stated that
>>>anon posting to the group is disallowed. This certainly won't solve
>>>the problem by itself, but it may be possible to use this to request
>>>the mail2news gateways to take our groups off the list of allowable
>>>posting groups. Who knows?
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>>"John McWilliams" <> wrote
>>Let me try to cut to the chase here if I may. There seems to be a strong
>>implication that the porno troll (need a different handle: It gives porn
>>a bad name; racist/filth spewer is more on it) will cease and desist if
>>certain things happen.
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>>Is this your understanding?
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> Yes, I am of that opinion, and if I'm right, they may not be concessions
> at all, (as in giving something up), but rather, doing something
> constructive toward embracing and bettering the community as a whole.
>
> I really believe that 99.9+% of the people participating in Usenet want to
> see it a better place for all involved. This includes all regular
> users/content providers, performing artists, trolls, k00ks, misc cretins
> and possibly even the power elite (news.* groupers). It's quite a stage
> we have here and we do see some royal performances
>
> I believe the harsh reality sets in, as it's realized that, too much of
> anything may well kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. Paramount is
> attracting and drawing newbies to the fold. Especially those who have
> interest in contributing to the discussions at hand and are topical to the
> posted groups.
>
> I firmly believe there is a way to get everyone involved in helping the
> whole. The very, very, few who resist and remain as part of the problem?,
> well, I think we may be able to run them off, or hunker down on their
> hides through the system. What the solution has needed is a consensus of;
> I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!
> A desire to circle the wagons of good against bad. There hace been people
> willing to lay themselves on the tracks, in front of the coming train, to
> get this message through. (that's how I've seen it
>
> I'll cogitate your other points, with an eye toward making further
> comment.
>
> Also John, (and others), please consider adding a crosspost to
> alt.culture.usenet, so we may better position this for the perusal and
> contribution of all interested parties. It was an empty shell of a group
> which google archives, and has been suggested by others, for these
> discussions. You'll see we've already turned on lights, the
> thermostat set, and folks sampling the hors d'oeuvres and milling about
> the bar.

[Note: Added a.c.u and f-u set thereto. Some won't be able to resist the
temptation to add back photo, etc..... 3:1 odds given at the $2.00 Window.]

Steve-

I've been able to add a bit more to my understanding of the dynamics,
and have a deeper 'appreciation' for the depth of enmity that exists
among some of the players..... I'm not ready for the Dissertation, tho.

Cutting to the chase: It's been indicated that almost all of the "stuff"
will go away if certain demands are met (both in rec.photo and
r.p.e35mm, tho I started reading rpe only recently as I learned of some
important threads that weren't x-posted to rpd.) Issues I care
marginally about, but which has become at the least important for a
bunch of folks, and non-negotiable for a few.

Here's one barrier- most folks won't bargain with those that threaten;
but threats can stop. More than that, for the most part there's no
reason to believe that the tide can be turned back, either quickly or
effectively.

So the challenge to you and whomever else's up for/to it is to show that
the hostilities can stop with respect to the photo groups- for, what 3
months? six would be better, two might do. If that were done it could
lead to something other than what's been going on for quite a while, no?

--
John McWilliams