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I hate noise. HAYTE IT. Hate dealing with it. Hate trying to compensate
for it. Hate these silly noise reduction programs that claim to fight
it, only to introduce their own kind of distortion. I'd rather keep it
to a minimum to begin with. The sample images from the Canon 10D and
300D are impressive for their relative lack of noise, which I hate, in
case I haven't mentioned that yet.

What a dilemma for an Canon/Nikon agnostic. Both the D70 and Digital
Rebel are wonderful compared to what was available last year. I like the
speed of the D70. Like the lens in the D70 kit. I like the images I see
from both. Did I mention that I hate noise?

After being dead set on the D70, I'm hesitating. Should a rabid
noise-hater like me be favoring the Canon CMOS sensor?

I shoot a lot outdoors, with water and sky often showing up in my
images. Also plan to do some astrophotography.

I throw myself upon the mercy of rpd. Which is a lot like jumping into a
woodchippah ($1 to Marge Gunderson).

Corry
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In article <pesAc.4623$. net>,
Unclaimed Mysteries
<theletter_k_andthenumeral_4_doh@unclaimedmysterie s.net> wrote:

> I throw myself upon the mercy of rpd. Which is a lot like jumping into a
> woodchippah ($1 to Marge Gunderson).
>
> Corry

Rent both cameras and compare them.
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"Fil Ament" <> wrote in message
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> In article <pesAc.4623$. net>,
> Unclaimed Mysteries
> <theletter_k_andthenumeral_4_doh@unclaimedmysterie s.net> wrote:
>
> > I throw myself upon the mercy of rpd. Which is a lot like jumping into a
> > woodchippah ($1 to Marge Gunderson).
> >
> > Corry
>
> Rent both cameras and compare them.

How / where do you do that?

In article <catkbm$hf3$>, "DR" <>
wrote:

> How / where do you do that?

I have a local camera store that does rent DSLR equipment
whether there is one local to you I don't know.

There is a place in Alexandra called Protech rentals that might
just do it.
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of a Blank canvas.

This is a provision for the mind's eye.
I see the lights go on, but realize of course no one's home.

If you have a lot of Nikon Glass wait another generation and see what
happens. If not - go with the Canon. 10D

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"Unclaimed Mysteries"
<theletter_k_andthenumeral_4_doh@unclaimedmysterie s.net> wrote in message
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> I hate noise. HAYTE IT. Hate dealing with it. Hate trying to compensate
> for it. Hate these silly noise reduction programs that claim to fight
> it, only to introduce their own kind of distortion. I'd rather keep it
> to a minimum to begin with. The sample images from the Canon 10D and
> 300D are impressive for their relative lack of noise, which I hate, in
> case I haven't mentioned that yet.
>
> What a dilemma for an Canon/Nikon agnostic. Both the D70 and Digital
> Rebel are wonderful compared to what was available last year. I like the
> speed of the D70. Like the lens in the D70 kit. I like the images I see
> from both. Did I mention that I hate noise?
>
> After being dead set on the D70, I'm hesitating. Should a rabid
> noise-hater like me be favoring the Canon CMOS sensor?
>
> I shoot a lot outdoors, with water and sky often showing up in my
> images. Also plan to do some astrophotography.
>
> I throw myself upon the mercy of rpd. Which is a lot like jumping into a
> woodchippah ($1 to Marge Gunderson).
>
> Corry
> --
> It Came From C. L. Smith's Unclaimed Mysteries.
> http://www.unclaimedmysteries.net
>
> T. Boozer wrote in rolltidefan.net: "That dude that took the picture,
> Corry Smith, is a bigtime aubie. Notice he named the pic
> 'BRIANDENNEHYstadium' Screw him!"

Kibo informs me that Unclaimed Mysteries
<theletter_k_andthenumeral_4_doh@unclaimedmysterie s.net> stated that:

>I hate noise. HAYTE IT. Hate dealing with it. Hate trying to compensate
>for it. Hate these silly noise reduction programs that claim to fight
>it, only to introduce their own kind of distortion. I'd rather keep it
>to a minimum to begin with. The sample images from the Canon 10D and
>300D are impressive for their relative lack of noise, which I hate, in
>case I haven't mentioned that yet.

Hm, reading between the lines of your post, I /think/ I can detect a
subtle preference for low-noise cameras.

>What a dilemma for an Canon/Nikon agnostic. Both the D70 and Digital
>Rebel are wonderful compared to what was available last year. I like the
>speed of the D70. Like the lens in the D70 kit. I like the images I see
>from both. Did I mention that I hate noise?
>
>After being dead set on the D70, I'm hesitating. Should a rabid
>noise-hater like me be favoring the Canon CMOS sensor?

Yes, if you need to buy a camera now. For the minimum of noise in a D70
price range, your options pretty much consist of the 300D & the 10D.
If you're not in a hurry, you might consider waiting to see what Nikon
does about noise levels in future models.
Be warned: Canon glass is addictive.

>I shoot a lot outdoors, with water and sky often showing up in my
>images. Also plan to do some astrophotography.

Yep. 300D/10D in RAW mode.

>I throw myself upon the mercy of rpd. Which is a lot like jumping into a
>woodchippah ($1 to Marge Gunderson).

Bwahahahahahaha!

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"Lionel" <> wrote in message
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> Be warned: Canon glass is addictive.

I wish I didn't buy the 300D. I am pouring tons of money to Canon. I love my
new 300mm f/4 IS lens. I can't wait to get the 1.4x teleconverter to make it
a 420mm lens which I heard it doesn't deminish the quialty of 300/4 much.
Next, I'll be craving the 17-40 lens to replace the kit lens and then
upgrade to a new camera with cutting edge sensor. I am going to be broke.

Kibo informs me that "leo" <> stated that:

>"Lionel" <> wrote in message
>news:.. .
>> Be warned: Canon glass is addictive.
>
>I wish I didn't buy the 300D. I am pouring tons of money to Canon. I love my
>new 300mm f/4 IS lens. I can't wait to get the 1.4x teleconverter to make it
>a 420mm lens which I heard it doesn't deminish the quialty of 300/4 much.
>Next, I'll be craving the 17-40 lens to replace the kit lens and then
>upgrade to a new camera with cutting edge sensor. I am going to be broke.

I hear you, brother. I became a lost cause after buying my first 'L'
lens for my 10D. Now I'm planning on selling all my non-prime consumer
glass.

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Unclaimed Mysteries <theletter_k_andthenumeral_4_doh@unclaimedmysterie s.net> writes:

> I hate noise. HAYTE IT. Hate dealing with it. Hate trying to
> compensate for it. Hate these silly noise reduction programs that
> claim to fight it, only to introduce their own kind of distortion. I'd
> rather keep it to a minimum to begin with. The sample images from the
> Canon 10D and 300D are impressive for their relative lack of noise,
> which I hate, in case I haven't mentioned that yet.
>
> What a dilemma for an Canon/Nikon agnostic. Both the D70 and Digital
> Rebel are wonderful compared to what was available last year. I like
> the speed of the D70. Like the lens in the D70 kit. I like the images
> I see from both. Did I mention that I hate noise?
>
> After being dead set on the D70, I'm hesitating. Should a rabid
> noise-hater like me be favoring the Canon CMOS sensor?

It was the noise issue that drove me to choose the Fuji S2. That
outperformed everything in the 6megapixel class on that issue in the
dpreview.com tests at the time, including the 10D.
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leo wrote:

> "Lionel" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>
>>Be warned: Canon glass is addictive.
>
>
> I wish I didn't buy the 300D. I am pouring tons of money to Canon. I love my
> new 300mm f/4 IS lens. I can't wait to get the 1.4x teleconverter to make it
> a 420mm lens which I heard it doesn't deminish the quialty of 300/4 much.
> Next, I'll be craving the 17-40 lens to replace the kit lens and then
> upgrade to a new camera with cutting edge sensor. I am going to be broke.
>

Ah, yes, but think of it this way: Those lenses may well become usable
heirlooms and some bug in 2040 will be saying, Yeah, me grandad spent
all 'is cash on these, an' lookit I got. Fab!

YMMV

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John McWilliams