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Ok.
I'm waffling and would (in the unlikely event of cash becoming
available) like to buy a Canon 1D Mark II.

Does Nikon have something in the pipeline that is going to make me
want to stay with Nikon?
Nikon D3?
Specs?
Ballpark pricing?
Will my current 35mm lenses fit new body?

I'm not terribly brand loyal other than owning an expensive chunk of
Nikon glass. Right now it seems to me that Canon has a real advantage
in terms of speed, lens mount design and resolution as well as good
low-noise at higher ISO settings and longer exposures (I'd like to do
astrophotography as a 2nd use for the camera).

I'd have to liquidate all of my Nikon gear in order to buy the Canon
1D Mark II body and a few so so lenses (couldn't afford both the body
and nice lenses right away).
The other thing that kills me is that Canon glass seems to cost a bit
more than equivalent Nikon glass.

If I could, I'd prefer to just keep all of this nice Nikon stuff and
go with a new Nikon if it was a 1D Mark II killer.
Here's my request to Nikon for the D3:
Accepts Nikon 'D' AF lenses
10 megapixel
10 frames per second
super low noise (at higher ISO settings and also for long
exposures)
Less than $2000 (Daydreaming here. That would be nice, wouldn't it
Fixes for any D70 type bugs: amplifier hot noise bloom, iTTL bugs

Best solution: win the lottery (which I don't even play

Thanks.
-Ralph

"Ralph Seguin" <> wrote in message
news: om...
> Ok.
> I'm waffling and would (in the unlikely event of cash becoming
> available) like to buy a Canon 1D Mark II.
>
> Does Nikon have something in the pipeline that is going to make me
> want to stay with Nikon?
> Nikon D3?
> Specs?
> Ballpark pricing?
> Will my current 35mm lenses fit new body?
>
> I'm not terribly brand loyal other than owning an expensive chunk of
> Nikon glass. Right now it seems to me that Canon has a real advantage
> in terms of speed, lens mount design and resolution as well as good
> low-noise at higher ISO settings and longer exposures (I'd like to do
> astrophotography as a 2nd use for the camera).
>
> I'd have to liquidate all of my Nikon gear in order to buy the Canon
> 1D Mark II body and a few so so lenses (couldn't afford both the body
> and nice lenses right away).
> The other thing that kills me is that Canon glass seems to cost a bit
> more than equivalent Nikon glass.
>
> If I could, I'd prefer to just keep all of this nice Nikon stuff and
> go with a new Nikon if it was a 1D Mark II killer.
> Here's my request to Nikon for the D3:
> Accepts Nikon 'D' AF lenses
> 10 megapixel
> 10 frames per second
> super low noise (at higher ISO settings and also for long
> exposures)
> Less than $2000 (Daydreaming here. That would be nice, wouldn't it
> Fixes for any D70 type bugs: amplifier hot noise bloom, iTTL bugs
>
> Best solution: win the lottery (which I don't even play
>

Best rumors indicate that Nikon's answer to the 1D MkII will be the D2X
(replacement for the D1X). That camera is expected to be announced within
the next couple of months. Speculation is that it will be limited-released /
tested at the Olympics and formally announced at Photokina. It will
reportedly be 10-12 megapixels, 1.5X crop factor and use the exact same body
as the D2H. Frame rates - probably 4-8 depending on what kind of sensor they
use. The LBCAST ought to be able to muster 6 FPS. Pricing is likely to be
against the 1D Mk II, so the D2X will probably be in that same $4500 price
range.

A current alternative is the D2H at $3100.

Hmc

>From: (Ralph Seguin)

>Does Nikon have something in the pipeline that is going to make me
>want to stay with Nikon?

Sooner or later Nikon will have a comparable product. The two questions you
need to ask are 1) how long do I wait for it? and 2) will Canon have something
even better once Nikon catches up? Remember, the D2H barely caught up to the
1D before Canon brought out the 1D Mark II.

>I'm not terribly brand loyal other than owning an expensive chunk of
>Nikon glass.

That would probably be enough incentive for me to wait

Bill

"Ralph Seguin" <> wrote in message
news: om...
> Ok.
> I'm waffling and would (in the unlikely event of cash becoming
> available) like to buy a Canon 1D Mark II.
>
> Does Nikon have something in the pipeline that is going to make me
> want to stay with Nikon?
> Nikon D3?
> Specs?
> Ballpark pricing?
> Will my current 35mm lenses fit new body?
>
> I'm not terribly brand loyal other than owning an expensive chunk of
> Nikon glass. Right now it seems to me that Canon has a real advantage
> in terms of speed, lens mount design and resolution as well as good
> low-noise at higher ISO settings and longer exposures (I'd like to do
> astrophotography as a 2nd use for the camera).
>
> I'd have to liquidate all of my Nikon gear in order to buy the Canon
> 1D Mark II body and a few so so lenses (couldn't afford both the body
> and nice lenses right away).
> The other thing that kills me is that Canon glass seems to cost a bit
> more than equivalent Nikon glass.
>
> If I could, I'd prefer to just keep all of this nice Nikon stuff and
> go with a new Nikon if it was a 1D Mark II killer.
> Here's my request to Nikon for the D3:
> Accepts Nikon 'D' AF lenses
> 10 megapixel
> 10 frames per second
> super low noise (at higher ISO settings and also for long
> exposures)
> Less than $2000 (Daydreaming here. That would be nice, wouldn't it
> Fixes for any D70 type bugs: amplifier hot noise bloom, iTTL bugs
>
> Best solution: win the lottery (which I don't even play
>
> Thanks.
> -Ralph


Not likely. In terms of speed and features, no doubt Nikon will catch up but
in terms of sensor size and resolution, it's not that good. I think Nikon is
just starting to developing it's own silicon. This is why Nikon's stated
it'll stick with the DX lens (1.5x crop factor) for a long haul. Um... Maybe
Nikon'll put a Kodak full size sensor on the next camera. who knows...

In article <_xYzc.2423$ et>, leo
<> wrote:

> This is why Nikon's stated
> it'll stick with the DX lens (1.5x crop factor) for a long haul. Um... Maybe
> Nikon'll put a Kodak full size sensor on the next camera. who knows...

i keep seeing people claim nikon said they aren't doing full frame, yet
i've never seen an official statement from them.

can you provide a cite?

>From: nospam lid

>i keep seeing people claim nikon said they <Nikon> aren't doing full
> frame, yet i've never seen an official statement from them.
>
>can you provide a cite?

Can't provide a link, but in the past 2 years I've seen two "official"
statements from Nikon on this, as reported in photo magazines. First one said
they would not make a full frame sensor since 6-8 Mpixels was enough for rough
parity with 35 mm (for most people). This was about the time they came out
with the wider lenses that didn't fit earlier cameras. Whether this was the
policy of the top level execs or just a marketing guy floating a trial balloon
isn't entirely clear.

Apparently this didn't go over well with the pro community (good numbers of
pros are switching to Canon, it seems) so last year Nikon announced they would
offer two classes of sensor sizes, APS for their vast amateur market (similar
to what they already have with incremental improvements) and full sized sensors
for what they called the "pro" market. Maybe they were disappointed in the
Kodak 14n and decided they have to do it themselves since the Canon 1Ds is so
popular.

So far they haven't announced any full frame sensor cameras, but if Canon can
do it you'd think Nikon can do it too.

Bill

"Howard McCollister" <> wrote in message
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> Best rumors indicate that Nikon's answer to the 1D MkII will be the D2X
> (replacement for the D1X). That camera is expected to be announced within
> the next couple of months. Speculation is that it will be limited-released
/
> tested at the Olympics and formally announced at Photokina. It will
> reportedly be 10-12 megapixels, 1.5X crop factor and use the exact same
body
> as the D2H. Frame rates - probably 4-8 depending on what kind of sensor
they
> use. The LBCAST ought to be able to muster 6 FPS. Pricing is likely to be
> against the 1D Mk II, so the D2X will probably be in that same $4500 price
> range.
>
> A current alternative is the D2H at $3100.
>
> Hmc

IMVAIO, that's too much of a crop factor. Who is going to buy a professional
camera with such a high crop factor.

And why the Olympics? Nikon still will have no equivalent to Canon's BWL's,
so professionals won't be able to use it for sports photography.

>From: "Steven M. Scharf"

>IMVAIO, that's too much of a crop factor.

Hmm, what does IMVAIO mean? Sounds like something Sony makes

>Nikon still will have no equivalent to Canon's BWL's

And what does BWL mean? "Big White Lenses"? LOL ...

Bill

"Ralph Seguin" <> wrote in message
news: om...
> Ok.
> I'm waffling and would (in the unlikely event of cash becoming
> available) like to buy a Canon 1D Mark II.
>
> Does Nikon have something in the pipeline that is going to make me
> want to stay with Nikon?
> Nikon D3?
> Specs?
> Ballpark pricing?
> Will my current 35mm lenses fit new body?
>
> I'm not terribly brand loyal other than owning an expensive chunk of
> Nikon glass. Right now it seems to me that Canon has a real advantage
> in terms of speed, lens mount design and resolution as well as good
> low-noise at higher ISO settings and longer exposures (I'd like to do
> astrophotography as a 2nd use for the camera).
>
> I'd have to liquidate all of my Nikon gear in order to buy the Canon
> 1D Mark II body and a few so so lenses (couldn't afford both the body
> and nice lenses right away).
> The other thing that kills me is that Canon glass seems to cost a bit
> more than equivalent Nikon glass.
>
> If I could, I'd prefer to just keep all of this nice Nikon stuff and
> go with a new Nikon if it was a 1D Mark II killer.
> Here's my request to Nikon for the D3:
> Accepts Nikon 'D' AF lenses
> 10 megapixel
> 10 frames per second
> super low noise (at higher ISO settings and also for long
> exposures)
> Less than $2000 (Daydreaming here. That would be nice, wouldn't it
> Fixes for any D70 type bugs: amplifier hot noise bloom, iTTL bugs
>
> Best solution: win the lottery (which I don't even play
>
> Thanks.
> -Ralph

A photo hobbyist friend of mine recently sold all his Nikon equipment and
went Canon. He bought the Canon 1D Mark II. His reasoning was the 1.3
multiplier of the Mark II using Canon's 16-35 L mm lens satisfies his needs
for a wide angle lens and he also bought the 28-135 IS lens. He's captivated
by the camera's capability. Just these two lenses would give him the
following lens versatility:

With the Mark II:

The 16-35 mm L lens would be 20.8-45.5 mm.
The 28-135 mm IS lens would be 36.4- 175.5 IS mm

He's so satisfied with the Mark II and his selection of lenses he's
considering getting the 10D as a back-up body and utilizing the 1.6X of the
10D to extend the range of other longer lenses he plans to buy without the
need to spend mega-bucks for much longer range lenses. With the 10D he
solves two potential problems, the need for a back-up body and long lens
needs. I've handled his Mark II and must confess, it is one hell-of-an
impressive tool and I have more than a tinge of envy. I particularly like
the concept of Canon's DiG!C Imaging Engine processor which has been
upgraded from the one introduced in the 10D; which in itself is a very good
camera.

Another Pro friend who occasionally doubles in sales at the local camera
store is also considering selling off his Nikon equipment and getting the
Mark II, for starters. He recently added the Nikon D2h to his inventory and
apparently he's not happy with it. I don't know why since he's not inclined
to say much about it other than shrug his shoulders when asked about it.

I too am deeply into Nikon but I must confess, I'm big time impressed with
the overall capability of Canon's 1D Mark II. Having one would more than
satisfy my camera desires for many years, regardless of what Nikon may
market in the future. I'm sorry now my friend loaned me his Mark II 'cause
it definitely has impressed me.

Normally, I'm still with film for much of my photo interests and only
occasionly use my digicams. But I think having the Canon 1D Mark II could
turn things around for me. I'm on a list to rent one for a month and if I
remain impressed, I just might make the jump myself.

nick

"Nick C" <n-> wrote in message
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>

>
> Normally, I'm still with film for much of my photo interests and only
> occasionly use my digicams. But I think having the Canon 1D Mark II could
> turn things around for me. I'm on a list to rent one for a month and if I
> remain impressed, I just might make the jump myself.
>

It's pretty likely that the Nikon D2X will eclipse the 1D Mk II to the same
degree or greater that the D70 has eclipsed the 300D.

HMc