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nikki
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      06-12-2004
Has anyone had any good experiences with the MP-E65mm f/2.8 1-5x
Macro.
The Canon Tech department doesn't seem to know much about it. It looks
very convenient for field use.
I would also like to know if there is a way to increase the
magnification to 10-15X. The Canon Techs could not say if the
extenders(1.4x and 2x) would be compatible with this lens.
Nikki
 
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David Littlewood
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      06-12-2004
In article <(E-Mail Removed) >, nikki
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>Has anyone had any good experiences with the MP-E65mm f/2.8 1-5x
>Macro.
>The Canon Tech department doesn't seem to know much about it. It looks
>very convenient for field use.
>I would also like to know if there is a way to increase the
>magnification to 10-15X. The Canon Techs could not say if the
>extenders(1.4x and 2x) would be compatible with this lens.
>Nikki


I have never used this lens, so please take my comments as slightly
"interpolated".

The Canon book "EF Lens Work III" also makes no mention of using the
MP-E65 f/2.8 with focal length converters ("extenders" in Canon
terminology) or even with extension tubes. BTW, it also points out that
for the lesser EOS bodies (i.e. other than EOS 1n/1v/1D variants and EOS
3) the metering does not work correctly and compensation is required -
changes with magnification.

In general, makers of specialist macro lenses make a range of lenses, so
that each does not have to cover too great a range. Computing a lens to
work over a very large range of conjugate distances is difficult, and
something has to give. For instance, the Zeiss Luminar range has 6
different lenses to cover the range of magnifications from 2.5x to 70x -
or 1.5x to 22x - depending on equipment used. Typically each lens will
cover a range of magnification of about 1.4.

At a guess, it will be possible to produce images with the MP-E65 and
extension tubes. The optical quality will almost certainly be reduced,
and the metering may be even more screwed up, but it should give usable
results. As for tele-extenders, be aware that the Canon ones protrude
very significantly in front, and they will not physically fit many of
the more "normal" lenses. The layout diagram of the MP-E65 does suggest
its rear element is well recessed, so it may fit, but I wouldn't hold
out much hope for the quality.

The kind of magnifications you are looking for are extremely challenging
for use in the field. The very tiniest breath of wind will ruin
pictures, and lighting will be a real challenge. If you can, you would
be much better off taking the subjects indoors and using a bellows macro
set-up. There are numerous good books on this subject, ask again if you
are interested - tell us what camera body you plan to use.
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Robert Meyers
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      06-12-2004
"nikki" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Has anyone had any good experiences with the MP-E65mm f/2.8 1-5x
> Macro.
> The Canon Tech department doesn't seem to know much about it. It looks
> very convenient for field use.
> I would also like to know if there is a way to increase the
> magnification to 10-15X. The Canon Techs could not say if the
> extenders(1.4x and 2x) would be compatible with this lens.


Call Samys or B&Hand ask them to try it


 
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Bill Hilton
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      06-12-2004
>From: David Littlewood http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/(E-Mail Removed)

>The kind of magnifications you are looking for are extremely challenging
>for use in the field. The very tiniest breath of wind will ruin
>pictures, and lighting will be a real challenge.


Everyone I've ever seen use this lens was using flash, which eases these
problems (at least the lighting one). Either the ringlight (MR-14EX, which I
use) or the twin strobes (MT-24EX) ...
http://luminous-landscape.com/review.../mp-e-65.shtml
 
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Mike Engles
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      06-12-2004
Bill Hilton wrote:
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> >From: David Littlewood (E-Mail Removed)

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> >The kind of magnifications you are looking for are extremely challenging
> >for use in the field. The very tiniest breath of wind will ruin
> >pictures, and lighting will be a real challenge.

>
> Everyone I've ever seen use this lens was using flash, which eases these
> problems (at least the lighting one). Either the ringlight (MR-14EX, which I
> use) or the twin strobes (MT-24EX) ...
> http://luminous-landscape.com/review.../mp-e-65.shtml



Hello

With a digital and 1.5 magnification factor, X5 becomes X7.5.
You will then be cms away from the object.

This guy uses this lens and gets some terrific results.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2432382

He does respond to questions.

Mike Engles
 
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JH
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      06-12-2004
Is there a similar lens for Nikon (D70)?

"nikki" <(E-Mail Removed)> skrev i en meddelelse
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> Has anyone had any good experiences with the MP-E65mm f/2.8 1-5x
> Macro.
> The Canon Tech department doesn't seem to know much about it. It looks
> very convenient for field use.
> I would also like to know if there is a way to increase the
> magnification to 10-15X. The Canon Techs could not say if the
> extenders(1.4x and 2x) would be compatible with this lens.
> Nikki



 
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Brian C. Baird
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      06-13-2004
In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, (E-Mail Removed)
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> With a digital and 1.5 magnification factor, X5 becomes X7.5.
> You will then be cms away from the object.


Not quite correct. Magnification stays the same, but the field of view
changes. It's a 1.6 crop factor, not magnification.
 
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Malcolm Stewart
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      06-13-2004
"nikki" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Has anyone had any good experiences with the MP-E65mm f/2.8 1-5x
> Macro.
> The Canon Tech department doesn't seem to know much about it. It looks
> very convenient for field use.
> I would also like to know if there is a way to increase the
> magnification to 10-15X. The Canon Techs could not say if the
> extenders(1.4x and 2x) would be compatible with this lens.
> Nikki


Try searching on the www.dpreview.com Canon forums. I'm sure I've seen some
superb examples published there.
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Darrell Larose
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"JH" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Is there a similar lens for Nikon (D70)?
>

AFAIK this is a unique lens from Canon. Nikon offers 60/2.8 but it only 1:1,
the Canon goes down to 5:1

> "nikki" <(E-Mail Removed)> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:(E-Mail Removed) om...
> > Has anyone had any good experiences with the MP-E65mm f/2.8 1-5x
> > Macro.
> > The Canon Tech department doesn't seem to know much about it. It looks
> > very convenient for field use.
> > I would also like to know if there is a way to increase the
> > magnification to 10-15X. The Canon Techs could not say if the
> > extenders(1.4x and 2x) would be compatible with this lens.
> > Nikki

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      06-13-2004
"Malcolm Stewart" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:<cahbe3$6us$(E-Mail Removed)>...
> "nikki" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> > Has anyone had any good experiences with the MP-E65mm f/2.8 1-5x
> > Macro.

>
> Try searching on the www.dpreview.com Canon forums. I'm sure I've seen some
> superb examples published there.


I did search the dpreview. Mostly people expressing a desire to own
this lens.

John, at dpreview had some good information.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...message=912362
Here it is:
The MP-E 65mm f/2.8 1-5x macro lens is a superb special-purpose lens
that basically removes the need for a bellows or other accessories in
close-up shooting at greater than life size. It's very sharp, and its
auto diaphragm makes it very convenient for field shooting.

The key is that this is a special-purpose lens, not a
high-performance general purpose lens like the 50mm f/2.5 macro or
100mm f/2.8 macro that can focus to infinity. It has no autofocus
capability, although it does have the full electronic diaphragm and
thus never requires being stopped-down manually unless you want to
check your depth of field. Of course, depth-of-field is limited with a
lens like this, and typically you'll want to shoot around f/8 to f/16.
And your working distance is tight, too; at 4x or 5x magnification,
you'll be a little more than an inch (25mm) from the front of the
lens.

F/16 is the smallest aperture available, partially because
(probably) you'd encounter image-degrading diffraction at smaller
apertures, and also because of the light losses you get at higher
magnifications. These light losses are laws of optics, and not a
problem with the way Canon designed this lens. At the full 5x
magnification, you've lost about 5 stops of light, so f/16 is
equivalent to approximately f/90 in terms of light transmission to the
film.

Because of this light loss, it's a tough lens to use with just
ambient light once you're much past the 1x magnification setting; if
you're shooting in the field, a ring light flash is almost a necessity
and completely changes the shooting experience. Now, it's possible to
hand-hold this lens, pre-set the magnification you want to work at,
and just move in and out until your subject appears in sharp focus and
shoot. Manual mode on the camera works best here, allowing you to
combine a small aperture like f/11 or f/16 with a reasonable shutter
speed like 1/125th. Once you're used to it, it's pretty easy to work
this way up to about 3x magnifications or so. Great for shots of
things like insects, etc. Note that the only ring flash (currently)
that provides TTL automatic flash with the digital D30 is Canon's
MR-14EX Ring Lite.

As magnifications get above 3x, it becomes more of an effort to
just keep the image steady for composition, let alone precise focus.
You may benefit from a tripod and most importantly, a macro focus rail
that allows you to focus by moving the whole camera/lens combo
smoothly and precisely back and forth. Canon doesn't make one, but a
number of third-party outfits such as Kirk Enterprises in the US and
others do.

The MP-E 65mm lens isn't the right choice for everyone, but if
you've tried the 50mm and 100mm macro lenses with 1:1 capability and
found consistently that they just aren't giving you enough
magnification, this lens is one of the best in the industry at moving
to the next step. It'll require you to work a bit, and it's not cheap,
but the images it can produce will amaze you.
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>Mike Engles wrote:
>This guy uses this lens and gets some terrific results.
>http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2432382


Amazing photography site. The Swede's moth is very good. Thanks

David Littlewood wrote:
>The kind of magnifications you are looking for are extremely

challenging
>for use in the field. The very tiniest breath of wind will ruin
>pictures, and lighting will be a real challenge. If you can, you

would
>be much better off taking the subjects indoors and using a bellows

macro
>set-up. There are numerous good books on this subject, ask again if

you
>are interested - tell us what camera body you plan to use.


I am primarily interested in imaging snow and ice crystals(that is why
I want 10X), mostly natural formations, so exclusive studio work is
not an option. I like the idea of a very compact and tough lens, like
the MP-E65mm.
I use a Canon DSLR with multiple flash (550's) off camera.
I will probably just buy the extender and try it anyway(good excuse to
buy one for my other lenses). They are not expensive, as compared to
the lens. I don't think there are any physical restrictions to using
the extender, other than the camera vibrations as noted. Still, no
one seems to know.
nikki
 
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