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"Trevor S" <> wrote in message
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> Ron Hunter <> wrote in
> news::
>
> <snip>
>
> > Perhaps for those with a predictable lifestyle.
>
> They might better be know as those that can't plan more then 2 hours into
> the future.
>
> > Many are more
> > 'spontaneous' and don't plan every action weeks in advance.
>
> So for those "types" I would have thought a charged battery would be
> derigeur... ie I have no idea what I am going to be doing in two hours so
> I had better charge my camera battery or I may get caught out.
>
> Sounds to me a case of laziness, inepeitutde or the inablity to plan more
> then not having an AA battery slot in a bit of equipment. Personally I
> love the Li batteries, eg I went two weeks camping and touring in outback
> Australia, days between towns (ie no ability to buy any AA batteries at a
> corner store) let alone have access to mains electricity, with a single
> battery for my SONY camcorder and never bothered to take a charger etc as
I

Keeping Li-Ion rechargeables ready to go is a lot easier than doing the same
with NiMH AA cells. The NiMH batteries have a relatively high self-discharge
rate. The sole advantage to AA cells is the ability to use alkaline cells in
a pinch. Technically I could still do this with a Li-Ion powered
camera--with an external AA battery pack.

For backpacking, I'd greatly prefer Li-Ion, since I want to carry the least
amount of weight and volume, and have everything at optimal efficiency.

The camera makers are abandoning AA not to sell more battery packs, but
because consumers want smaller devices, that go longer between recharges,
and that can sit on a shelf for a week and still be ready for instant use.

Steven M. Scharf wrote:
> "Trevor S" <> wrote in message
> news:Xns94CC6C7A33978billgatescom@130.133.1.4...
>
>>Ron Hunter <> wrote in
>>news::
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>>Perhaps for those with a predictable lifestyle.
>>
>>They might better be know as those that can't plan more then 2 hours into
>>the future.
>>
>>
>>>Many are more
>>>'spontaneous' and don't plan every action weeks in advance.
>>
>>So for those "types" I would have thought a charged battery would be
>>derigeur... ie I have no idea what I am going to be doing in two hours so
>>I had better charge my camera battery or I may get caught out.
>>
>>Sounds to me a case of laziness, inepeitutde or the inablity to plan more
>>then not having an AA battery slot in a bit of equipment. Personally I
>>love the Li batteries, eg I went two weeks camping and touring in outback
>>Australia, days between towns (ie no ability to buy any AA batteries at a
>>corner store) let alone have access to mains electricity, with a single
>>battery for my SONY camcorder and never bothered to take a charger etc as
>
> I
>
> Keeping Li-Ion rechargeables ready to go is a lot easier than doing the same
> with NiMH AA cells. The NiMH batteries have a relatively high self-discharge
> rate. The sole advantage to AA cells is the ability to use alkaline cells in
> a pinch. Technically I could still do this with a Li-Ion powered
> camera--with an external AA battery pack.
>
> For backpacking, I'd greatly prefer Li-Ion, since I want to carry the least
> amount of weight and volume, and have everything at optimal efficiency.
>
> The camera makers are abandoning AA not to sell more battery packs, but
> because consumers want smaller devices, that go longer between recharges,
> and that can sit on a shelf for a week and still be ready for instant use.
>
>
>
My camera routinely sits for a few weeks at a time with NIMH batteries
and has never caused a problem with self-discharge. The issue is
severly overstated.
Since I use the same AA NIMH batteries in my camera and my GPS, it is a
great convenience to me. One which I am not interested in giving up.

Ron Hunter responds:

>> The camera makers are abandoning AA not to sell more battery packs, but
>> because consumers want smaller devices, that go longer between recharges,
>> and that can sit on a shelf for a week and still be ready for instant use.
>>
>>
>>
>My camera routinely sits for a few weeks at a time with NIMH batteries
>and has never caused a problem with self-discharge. The issue is
>severly overstated.
>Since I use the same AA NIMH batteries in my camera and my GPS, it is a
>great convenience to me. One which I am not interested in giving up.
>

And a week is nonsense. If a set of AAs goes dead in a week, then they were
nearly dischared already, or are about to fail. My camera sometimes sits for a
month, is a notorious power hog (Minolta 7i) and will still clip off 75 or so
frames, with flash, when picked up and used.

Dropping 1% a day doesn't come close to creating problems in a week.

Charlie Self
"If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our
institutions, great is our sin." Charles Darwin

> My camera routinely sits for a few weeks at a time with NIMH batteries
> and has never caused a problem with self-discharge. The issue is
> severly overstated.
> Since I use the same AA NIMH batteries in my camera and my GPS, it is a
> great convenience to me. One which I am not interested in giving up.

Even though I said that proprietary batteries were out of the question for
me, I may have to eat those words even though I don't want to.

Finding a camera that I can afford and like is becoming a problem. I haven't
tried them all by any means but I am finding that the placement of controls
and viewfinders just doesn't get along with me. I use my left eye at the
viewfinder and for a lot of cameras the zoom control lever is right at my
right eye stopping me from getting a good look through the viewfinder if I
want to use the zoom. If I didn't wear glasses, this wouldn't be much of a
problem but I wear bifocals and can't read any of the settings on any camera
that I have so far seen without my glasses.

I am doing some playing around trying to use my right eye to focus but it
isn't comfortable at all.

I did see the digital Rebel and just loved the manual zoom and focus ...
just like my 35mm SLR. It's a very nice camera but at the very top of my
price range though.

Decisions, decisions, decisions.

Ron wrote:
>>My camera routinely sits for a few weeks at a time with NIMH batteries
>>and has never caused a problem with self-discharge. The issue is
>>severly overstated.
>>Since I use the same AA NIMH batteries in my camera and my GPS, it is a
>>great convenience to me. One which I am not interested in giving up.
>
>
> Even though I said that proprietary batteries were out of the question for
> me, I may have to eat those words even though I don't want to.
>
> Finding a camera that I can afford and like is becoming a problem. I haven't
> tried them all by any means but I am finding that the placement of controls
> and viewfinders just doesn't get along with me. I use my left eye at the
> viewfinder and for a lot of cameras the zoom control lever is right at my
> right eye stopping me from getting a good look through the viewfinder if I
> want to use the zoom. If I didn't wear glasses, this wouldn't be much of a
> problem but I wear bifocals and can't read any of the settings on any camera
> that I have so far seen without my glasses.
>
> I am doing some playing around trying to use my right eye to focus but it
> isn't comfortable at all.
>
> I did see the digital Rebel and just loved the manual zoom and focus ...
> just like my 35mm SLR. It's a very nice camera but at the very top of my
> price range though.
>
> Decisions, decisions, decisions.
>

Sounds like you need a camera with a viewfinder on the right. Otherwise, I'd say
all cameras are designed with right eye in mind.

--
Ben Thomas

Apparently less than 10% of accidents are caused by drivers exceeding the speed
limit.

"BenOne©" <> wrote in message
news:b1su5c.7e6.ln@192.168.11.2...
> Ron wrote:
> >>My camera routinely sits for a few weeks at a time with NIMH batteries
> >>and has never caused a problem with self-discharge. The issue is
> >>severly overstated.
> >>Since I use the same AA NIMH batteries in my camera and my GPS, it is a
> >>great convenience to me. One which I am not interested in giving up.
> >
> >
> > Even though I said that proprietary batteries were out of the question
for
> > me, I may have to eat those words even though I don't want to.
> >
> > Finding a camera that I can afford and like is becoming a problem. I
haven't
> > tried them all by any means but I am finding that the placement of
controls
> > and viewfinders just doesn't get along with me. I use my left eye at the
> > viewfinder and for a lot of cameras the zoom control lever is right at
my
> > right eye stopping me from getting a good look through the viewfinder if
I
> > want to use the zoom. If I didn't wear glasses, this wouldn't be much of
a
> > problem but I wear bifocals and can't read any of the settings on any
camera
> > that I have so far seen without my glasses.
> >
> > I am doing some playing around trying to use my right eye to focus but
it
> > isn't comfortable at all.
> >
> > I did see the digital Rebel and just loved the manual zoom and focus ...
> > just like my 35mm SLR. It's a very nice camera but at the very top of my
> > price range though.
> >
> > Decisions, decisions, decisions.
> >
>
> Sounds like you need a camera with a viewfinder on the right. Otherwise,
I'd say
> all cameras are designed with right eye in mind.
>
> --
> Ben Thomas

I think that you are right. I have been practicing using my right eye and I
think that I might be able to get used to it in time.
--
Ron
If you don't look for the bright side, you'll never find it.