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t.mclean
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      01-17-2004
Thank you for the posts so far. I will take a look at the cameras mentioned.

Sue, your point on how a camera feels is well taken, thank you!

I am curious about one thing, however, in scanning the many posts on this
newsgroup, there seems to be a LOT of people who seem to think they're back
in 2nd grade out on the playground. I'm amazed that I find many people
posting on a PHOTOGRAPHY forum that I assume is populated mostly by ADULTS
in much the same manner I'd think I'd find on alt.kewl.dudez.ur.Mom.suxors
by a bunch of 12 year olds.

Anyway, just my opinion.

Again, thank you to those that have offered sincere assistance.

Tom


 
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Michael Geary
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      01-17-2004
t.mclean wrote:
> I am curious about one thing, however, in scanning the many posts
> on this newsgroup, there seems to be a LOT of people who seem to
> think they're back in 2nd grade out on the playground. I'm amazed
> that I find many people posting on a PHOTOGRAPHY forum that I
> assume is populated mostly by ADULTS in much the same manner
> I'd think I'd find on alt.kewl.dudez.ur.Mom.suxors by a bunch of
> 12 year olds.


It is amazing to me too. In all the years I've participated in newsgroups,
I've never needed to use a killfile. But this group has made it necessary. I
just checked and I've added 250 names to my killfile from this group alone!
(Probably a fair number of those are the same people posting under different
names.)

It's sad but true.

-Mike


 
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Neon John
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      01-18-2004
As a 20 year veteran of the net..... ahem

That's just Usenet. I do have to admit that his is one of the worst groups I
monitor for lids. You can either let it get you bent out of shape or you can
ignore it and go on your way. I recommend finding a good reader (I use Agent)
with a good filtering/killfile mechanism and then systematically filter out
the people who shat on this group. You will be amazed at the difference once
you don't have to exercise your self-control on every other thread. An
additional benefit is that the daily 800 or so posts turn into something like
300.

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:54:07 GMT, "t.mclean" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:


>I am curious about one thing, however, in scanning the many posts on this
>newsgroup, there seems to be a LOT of people who seem to think they're back
>in 2nd grade out on the playground. I'm amazed that I find many people
>posting on a PHOTOGRAPHY forum that I assume is populated mostly by ADULTS
>in much the same manner I'd think I'd find on alt.kewl.dudez.ur.Mom.suxors
>by a bunch of 12 year olds.
>
>Anyway, just my opinion.
>
>Again, thank you to those that have offered sincere assistance.
>
>Tom
>


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Keith Fairfield
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      01-18-2004
"t.mclean" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:<vr4Ob.83298$I06.360133@attbi_s01>...
> Hello, I am wanting to purchase a new digital camera to replace my old Kodak
> DC280 that has been knocked off the table and no longer works correctly.
>
> I cut my teeth on a Canon F1 many years ago when I was trained by the Army
> to be a "photojournalist" and public affairs specialist. After a few years
> of using Army supplied F1's and then the cheaper AE-1's they switched to, I
> purchased a Canon EOS 620 (which I still own, but haven't used in years). I
> used the 620 for at least a decade or more until I bought the DC280 when I
> decided to join the digital revolution.
>
> The reason for the history is that I have recently become very nostalgic
> about the years when I really pursued photography as a recreation/hobby and
> really enjoyed the pictures I was taking. Lately, I've grown very
> dissatisfied with the lack of creative/manual control and the snapshot-like
> quality that my point-n-click DC280 has given me over the years and now
> would like something that gives me -- at the very least -- the ability to
> control my aperture or shutter speed so I can once again blur out a busy
> background with a narrow depth of field or capture that fast moving subject
> with a higher shutter speed, etc.
>
> I've read so many posts here and scanned so many web sites, I've become a
> bit overwhelmed with the choices out there. I've looked at all of the DSLRs,
> but I can't afford even the modestly priced Digital Rebel at this time.
>
> Any suggestions for something that is between a simple point-n-click and a
> digital SLR?
>
> Price ~ $200 to 300
> MP > 2 megapixel but preferably in the 3-5 range
>
> This new camera is intended as an interim camera that I can use over the
> next year or so until I can save enough money to purchase a true digital
> SLR.
>
> Are there any older model digital SLR's that are maybe in the 3-4 mp range
> that I can look for on Ebay whose owners are now upgrading to top of the
> line new equipment? That may get my foot in the door with the manual control
> options I desire without resorting to a point-n-click option.
>
> Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!
>
> Tom


If you have $200 - 300 to spend for an interim camera, why not buy
something like a Canon Rebel film camera. Minolta, Pentax and Nikon
have other choices. You will have a much more sophisticated camera,
albeit not digital, and could possibly match it with a same-brand
digital later, using the same lens(es) and other attachments on both.
 
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Manfred von Richthofen
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      01-19-2004
"George Preddy" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> Just a quick comparision that includes an E10 shot...
> http://www.pbase.com/pennychallenge
>
>


Which you should ignore. george has a heavy bias for Sigma cameras and is
incapable of objectivity. His "tests!" are always rigged in favour of Sigma.


 
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George Preddy
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      01-19-2004

"Manfred von Richthofen" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:bugd1d$imt$(E-Mail Removed)...
> "George Preddy" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:bubivs$i92$(E-Mail Removed)...
> >
> > Just a quick comparision that includes an E10 shot...
> > http://www.pbase.com/pennychallenge
> >
> >

>
> Which you should ignore. george has a heavy bias for Sigma cameras


I have a heavy bias toward dramatically better image quality. I've been
though too many Bayers.


 
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Manfred von Richthofen
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      01-20-2004
"George Preddy" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> >
> > Which you should ignore. george has a heavy bias for Sigma cameras

>
> I have a heavy bias toward dramatically better image quality. I've been
> though too many Bayers.
>


No you don't. You have a heavy bias toward artificially sharp images. You
care little about colour. You care nothing about alias artefacts.



 
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George Preddy
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      01-20-2004

"Manfred von Richthofen" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:buiu10$899$(E-Mail Removed)...
> "George Preddy" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:bugqeh$p6$(E-Mail Removed)...
> >
> > >
> > > Which you should ignore. george has a heavy bias for Sigma cameras

> >
> > I have a heavy bias toward dramatically better image quality. I've been
> > though too many Bayers.
> >

>
> No you don't. You have a heavy bias toward artificially sharp images.


Call it what you will, I like high resolution low noise, better than film.
Foveon is the only option.


 
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Braindead Preddy
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      01-21-2004
"George Preddy" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> "Manfred von Richthofen" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:buiu10$899$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > "George Preddy" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:bugqeh$p6$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Which you should ignore. george has a heavy bias for Sigma cameras
> > >
> > > I have a heavy bias toward dramatically better image quality. I've

been
> > > though too many Bayers.
> > >

> >
> > No you don't. You have a heavy bias toward artificially sharp images.

>
> Call it what you will, I like high resolution low noise, better than film.
> Foveon is the only option.
>


What are you on? Sigma images are somtimes breathtaking at first glance. You
seen realise after looking at them that they won't print well bigger than
6*4 - theres just not enough pixels and the artefacts will become glaringly
obvious.



 
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George Preddy
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      01-21-2004

"Braindead Preddy" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> > Call it what you will, I like high resolution low noise, better than

film.
> > Foveon is the only option.
> >

>
> What are you on? Sigma images are somtimes breathtaking at first glance.


And Bayer images are awful at first, second, and rarely get a third.

> You
> seen realise after looking at them that they won't print well bigger than
> 6*4 - theres just not enough pixels and the artefacts will become

glaringly
> obvious.
>
>
>



 
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