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I'm an expert on digital photography and roller coasters but I want to
be cool and learn computers and ****.

don't bother he's an imposter troll

(Steve Young) wrote in news:2a043796.0310212059.43015ff6
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> I'm an expert on digital photography and roller coasters but I want to
> be cool and learn computers and ****.

You are have way to your two goals!

"Steve Young" <> wrote in message
"but I want to be cool and learn computers and ****."

He has three goals, being cool, learning computers and shitting.

Shitting is easy: sit down, grab a newspaper and wait. I think your
hopelessly lost on the other two.

"Paul Larson" <> wrote in message
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> (Steve Young) wrote in news:2a043796.0310212059.43015ff6
> @posting.google.com:
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> > I'm an expert on digital photography and roller coasters but I want to
> > be cool and learn computers and ****.
>
> You are have way to your two goals!
bravo, Paul.

"Steve Young" <> wrote in message
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> I'm an expert on digital photography and roller coasters but I want to
> be cool and learn computers and ****.


MCSE is absolutly worthless - unless you already work in IT. Stick to roller
coasters.

Graham

The MCSE cert will get you the interview, your knowledge will get you the
job. Without the cert, your knowledge will be unknown, since you will not
have the interview to show it off...

"graham" <> wrote in message
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> "Steve Young" <> wrote in message
> news: om...
> > I'm an expert on digital photography and roller coasters but I want to
> > be cool and learn computers and ****.
>
>
> MCSE is absolutly worthless - unless you already work in IT. Stick to
roller
> coasters.
>
> Graham
>
>

"CybrSage" <> wrote in message
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> The MCSE cert will get you the interview, your knowledge will get you the
> job. Without the cert, your knowledge will be unknown, since you will not
> have the interview to show it off...

I don't necessarily agree with that. I would argue MCSE means you have
*some* knowledge in one corner of a large area of technology.

In the IT world, networks comprise of many different
things/components/software etc. MCSE is a qualification in Microsoft
products only. It is not a measure of someones ability of using Cisco
systems, Netware, Linux and loads of other stuff. *That's* what employers
are interested in.

Another point is IT is 99.999% experience based. Without that, you have a
small insignificant piece of paper which really doesn't count for a great
deal. No experience = no job.

There again, would you want a job in a rapidly shrinking market?

I speak with experience on this, I was MSCE certified in December 2000.

Graham (MCSE, MCP, MCP+I)

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> "graham" <> wrote in message
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> > "Steve Young" <> wrote in message
> > news: om...
> > > I'm an expert on digital photography and roller coasters but I want to
> > > be cool and learn computers and ****.
> >
> >
> > MCSE is absolutly worthless - unless you already work in IT. Stick to
> roller
> > coasters.
> >
> > Graham
> >
> >
>
>

"CybrSage" <> wrote in message
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> The MCSE cert will get you the interview, your knowledge will get you the
> job. Without the cert, your knowledge will be unknown, since you will not
> have the interview to show it off...

I must disagree with that last sentence, and I think most people who've been
around the industry for awhile will disagree. The fact is, most job
interviews are obtained through people you know - where the scene from
Spaceballs ("I am your father's brother's sister's cousin's former
roommate...") is not far from the truth. CNN has estimated that over 90% of
all available jobs are never publicly posted and are therefore "available"
only to those who are connected on the inside. Typical sequence of events:
a manager decides he wants to hire some people and casually asks some of the
people around him whether he knows anybody qualified who is looking for
work. Somebody remarks that he knows a guy who has done good work in the
past who's looking for a job. That person then makes the intro's, etc.
Notice how the cert played no role whatsoever in establishing the interview.
The only thing that mattered is that the candidate had a good repuation for
strong work and that he knew the right people. This is the way the job
market actually works.

Hey, don't just take my word for it. Think of your company and ask yourself
how many people there knew somebody at the company before they were hired.
I think you will find that the overwhelming majority had some sort of inside
connection. Relatively few people come in "cold". Makes sense too.
What are the odds of success of applying to a public job posting that
thousands of others are also applying to, vs. the odds of success of having
somebody on the inside who knows the hiring process at the company and can
make sure that your name is brought to the attention of the right people?

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> "graham" <> wrote in message
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> > "Steve Young" <> wrote in message
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> > > I'm an expert on digital photography and roller coasters but I want to
> > > be cool and learn computers and ****.
> >
> >
> > MCSE is absolutly worthless - unless you already work in IT. Stick to
> roller
> > coasters.
> >
> > Graham
> >
> >
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> I don't necessarily agree with that. I would argue MCSE means you have
> *some* knowledge in one corner of a large area of technology.

There's a lot of paper MCSEs out there...people that have just done a
brain dump to pass the tests.