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In article <>,
says...
>
> >People are not getting the information they want.
> Depends what people want if all they want to read is Ivor saying how
> wonderful Sipgate is then they can believe it if they want to but do
> not knock people who tell it has it really is !! .
>
When was the last time you used Sipgate?

I still think a lot of the problems is people not knowing what they are
doing, I am not knocking them, because it seems like sipgate is more for
people who want to fiddle around and set up the system their way. Vonage
is more of a plug and pray system, which is maybe why people don't have
the problems.

"AD C" <> wrote in message
news: k...
.. Vonage
> is more of a plug and pray system, which is maybe why people don't have
> the problems.

*PRAY -- well one has never used my 4 vonage systems to PRAY

In article <>, lid
says...
> > If the pay is right?
>
> Indeed

That is what it is all about.

>
> This is the hub of the problem. VoIP relies on a lot of user-configurable
> equipment, and if the user fiddles or doesn't know how to set it up in the
> first place, then they get problems. I'd guess that 90% of problems are
> down to misconfiguration rather than network problems.

That is also the same with the internet and networks.


> A lot of people blame the providers for this, but they can't be expected
> to configure every user's equipment for them, if they haven't sold it in
> the first place. All equipment that Sipgate sell comes pre-configured for
> the user's account details, so it *should* work out of the box, but
> sometimes the user doesn't understand the parts they *do* have to set,
> like port forwarding etc. This definitely *isn't* the network's fault..!

I agree, and port forwarding can be a bit daunting for anyone to work
out. I am getting the hang of it now, as I got software that needs port
fowarding.

>
> But have people *never* had problems with Vonage..? I doubt it, and with
> their equipment being locked you can't change things anyway.


I expect some may have, as I have said, no service is flawless.

>
> > I know I went on a bit, but I am trying to get something
> > over.
>
> Feel free, I also tend to go on when I'm on a mission
>

I goes on a bit too much sometimes.

In article <vgKTe.1070$Q%>,
says...
>
> *PRAY -- well one has never used my 4 vonage systems to PRAY
>
>

Yes Pray. I comes from b uying hardware for your computer, plugging it
in and praying that it will work. It is instead of Plug and play.

Things are better now in the computer world, but not some many years
ago, plug and play did not always works as it should.