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Miguel Cruz wrote:
>
> Nope. POTS and DSL are both services that work across a pair of copper wires
> (such as, but by no means restricted to, a "phone line"). You can have one
> service or the other or both.
>
> miguel
> --
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People confused about tech, regulations and company policy.

> but by no means restricted to, a "phone line"

Yes. But what else there that connects to your home with a telecom
equipment? Are you going to put another pair of copper wires to most
homes?

In reality, DSL runs over phone line. The phone company owns the phone
to your home. Any one wants to use it has to pay. Either you pay your
phone company directly or anohter service provider pays the phone
company to use the phone line.

It seems the originator's phone company has a policy to bundle DSL and
POTS.

<> wrote:
> Miguel Cruz wrote:
>> but by no means restricted to, a "phone line"
>
> In reality, DSL runs over phone line. The phone company owns the phone
> to your home. Any one wants to use it has to pay. Either you pay your
> phone company directly or anohter service provider pays the phone
> company to use the phone line.

As one counterexample, I've been involved in several installations that
involved connecting buildings using pairs of DSL modems over copper wire
purchased from electrical supply shops.

miguel
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"Phil Thompson" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 02:17:02 GMT, Kyler Laird <>
> wrote:
>
> >I was told a long time ago that DSL would always require a POTS
> >line. It's a bunch of crap. Check out SpeakEasy.
> > http://speakeasy.net/
> >They have "OneLink" plans that don't require POTS.
>
> but it uses a phone line ! DSL always has a line, that's what the L
> stands for.
>

Actually, the "L" stands for "loop". Digital Subscriber Loop.

> It may not involve having a telephone service but it "connects into
> your phone jack (Speakeasy pays the phone company for this)"
>
> Artists !
>
> Phil

Yes - DSL requires the use of twisted pair, which is the same *physical*
medium used by POTS. But you *don't* have to have POTS operational in your
home to use DSL. They are simply two separate technologies that happen to
use the same medium.

James

So what?

As I said in my first message: are you going to install another pair of
wires to every single home in the land?

You can reinvent wheel if you like. Nobody cares.

<> wrote:
> As I said in my first message: are you going to install another pair of
> wires to every single home in the land?

There is already a pair of wires to almost every single home in the land.
What's your point? (it might help if you didn't trim out all context)

miguel
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>>As one counterexample,

I think the confusion started from this "counterexample," You better
explain the point of counterexample.

wrote:

> I think this is an issue where you are going to get people arguing both
> sides becuase there may not be full understanding of the technology or
> abbreviations. I believe with DSL, you need a landline, but with
> cable, you do not. I too though am not 100% sure about that.
>

Well, to demystify you here it is: with DSL you don't need a
dialtone/landline account IF your area allows it. It is called "naked
DSL" in some areas but depends on the state/province/city you're in
(yeah, I covered US & Canada on that one).

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Phil Thompson <> writes:

>On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 02:17:02 GMT, Kyler Laird <>
>wrote:

>>I was told a long time ago that DSL would always require a POTS
>>line. It's a bunch of crap. Check out SpeakEasy.
>> http://speakeasy.net/
>>They have "OneLink" plans that don't require POTS.

>but it uses a phone line !

Congratulations.

If they original question (which I quoted and you snipped and
apparently ignored) had been "i have to get at least a line in
order to use voip on there DSL,my question, is it true?" instead
of "i have to get at least local service in order to use voip on
there DSL,my question, is it true?" you might have provided some
useful information.

>DSL always has a line, that's what the L
>stands for.

There was a time when it meant "loop".

--kyler

DSL,; Uses the wires, phone lines communicate on.



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"Kyler Laird" <> wrote in message
news:383up2-...
> Phil Thompson <> writes:
>
> >On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 02:17:02 GMT, Kyler Laird <>
> >wrote:
>
> >>I was told a long time ago that DSL would always require a POTS
> >>line. It's a bunch of crap. Check out SpeakEasy.
> >> http://speakeasy.net/
> >>They have "OneLink" plans that don't require POTS.
>
> >but it uses a phone line !
>
> Congratulations.
>
> If they original question (which I quoted and you snipped and
> apparently ignored) had been "i have to get at least a line in
> order to use voip on there DSL,my question, is it true?" instead
> of "i have to get at least local service in order to use voip on
> there DSL,my question, is it true?" you might have provided some
> useful information.
>
> >DSL always has a line, that's what the L
> >stands for.
>
> There was a time when it meant "loop".
>
> --kyler