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"Steve Sobol" <> wrote in message
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> Osmo R wrote:
>
> > So which is it? Does CPP always lead to high prices or is Finland an
> > exception? And if Finland is an exception, what could be the reason for
it?
>
> Finland's cost structure is different because Finland's telecomm structure
> is primarily wireless - AS I'VE SAID BEFORE IN THIS THREAD, there is a
much
> higher ratio of wireless uses to wireline users in Finland than anywhere
> else. Pay attention.

The termination charges to mobile phones in Finland are still quite high,
and CPP is almost certainly the reason. Look at a table of comparative
termination charges to mobile phones throughout the world, and you can at
least see relative costs (the U.S. carrier marks up the cost, but at least
the relative costs can be seen). Finland is slightly less than France,
Germany, Switzerland, and the UK, but not by a lot.

http://www.bellsouth.com/consumer/bs...rmination.html

Steven M. Scharf wrote:

>
> The termination charges to mobile phones in Finland are still quite high,
> and CPP is almost certainly the reason. Look at a table of comparative
> termination charges to mobile phones throughout the world, and you can at
> least see relative costs (the U.S. carrier marks up the cost, but at least
> the relative costs can be seen). Finland is slightly less than France,
> Germany, Switzerland, and the UK, but not by a lot.

But the termination charges are just something that operators pay to
each other. They are not paid by the callers. Their influence on the
caller prices is not so simple. Sure they have some effect but as long
as the calls spread evenly between networks the termination fees even
up. That operators lose on outgoing inter-network calls they gain in
incoming ones.

>
> http://www.bellsouth.com/consumer/bs...rmination.html
>

Those are charges international callers using that specific operator
pay. They have nothing to do with Finnish domestic calls. The
termination fees between mobile operators are 6.8-10 cents per minute
(without VAT) with largest networks having smallest ones.

Osmo

It really amazes me. India is the cheapest place for cellular plans.
For $4.00 a month they give you unlimited incoming minutes and $0.20
per minute for calling anywhere within India (with unlimited in-network
minutes from few carriers).

A prepaid can go upto a month long with free incoming for $4.00 as
well. I don't believe any other country beats this.

If I were you, I would buy a XDA and present it to my girlfriend
configured with www.skype.com or www.freeworlddialup.com softphones. If
I have a VOIP phone here, she will call me anytime. If not, she can
signal me with two/three rings and I will call her back with a local UK
number on her XDA.

FYI: there are several Hot-Spots in coffee shops, malls and work places
where XDA will work great.


Sekhar.
www.sekhar.net/call

Sekhar <> wrote:
> It really amazes me. India is the cheapest place for cellular plans.
> For $4.00 a month they give you unlimited incoming minutes and $0.20
> per minute for calling anywhere within India (with unlimited in-network
> minutes from few carriers).

Here in Malaysia I have to pay US$2.50 per month (the minimum recharge to
keep my SIM from expiring) for unlimited incoming minutes, and then about
US$0.12 per outgoing minute within Malaysia and to a few other countries
(such as the USA).

miguel
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Miguel Cruz wrote:

>>It really amazes me. India is the cheapest place for cellular plans.
>>For $4.00 a month they give you unlimited incoming minutes and $0.20
>>per minute for calling anywhere within India (with unlimited in-network
>>minutes from few carriers).
>
> Here in Malaysia I have to pay US$2.50 per month (the minimum recharge to
> keep my SIM from expiring) for unlimited incoming minutes, and then about
> US$0.12 per outgoing minute within Malaysia and to a few other countries
> (such as the USA).

Not to burst your bubble, but isn't it possible that the difference in
prices are due to differences in value between the rupee and Malaysia's
currency, and the US Dollar? I mean, isn't *everything* in those countries a
lot cheaper than it is in the US?

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Steve Sobol <> wrote:
> Miguel Cruz wrote:
>>> It really amazes me. India is the cheapest place for cellular plans. For
>>> $4.00 a month they give you unlimited incoming minutes and $0.20 per
>>> minute for calling anywhere within India (with unlimited in-network
>>> minutes from few carriers).
>>
>> Here in Malaysia I have to pay US$2.50 per month (the minimum recharge to
>> keep my SIM from expiring) for unlimited incoming minutes, and then about
>> US$0.12 per outgoing minute within Malaysia and to a few other countries
>> (such as the USA).
>
> Not to burst your bubble, but isn't it possible that the difference in
> prices are due to differences in value between the rupee and Malaysia's
> currency, and the US Dollar? I mean, isn't *everything* in those countries a
> lot cheaper than it is in the US?

Not everything - the phones themselves (as well as computers and other large
electronic devices) are more expensive here. So is Newman's Own spaghetti
sauce and beer in the supermarket.

I suppose it depends on how much these things are inputs into the mobile
phone service business. Electronics, probably quite a lot. Beer, somewhat.
Spaghetti sauce, not that much at all.

miguel
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Miguel Cruz <> wrote:

> Sekhar <> wrote:
> > It really amazes me. India is the cheapest place for cellular plans.
> > For $4.00 a month they give you unlimited incoming minutes and $0.20
> > per minute for calling anywhere within India (with unlimited in-network
> > minutes from few carriers).
>
> Here in Malaysia I have to pay US$2.50 per month (the minimum recharge to
> keep my SIM from expiring) for unlimited incoming minutes,

I thought Malaysia was Calling Party Pays though? That's a very good
deal for unlimited incoming if you'd have to pay for it otherwise
though.

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chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco <> wrote:
> Miguel Cruz <> wrote:
>> Sekhar <> wrote:
>>> It really amazes me. India is the cheapest place for cellular plans.
>>> For $4.00 a month they give you unlimited incoming minutes and $0.20
>>> per minute for calling anywhere within India (with unlimited in-network
>>> minutes from few carriers).
>>
>> Here in Malaysia I have to pay US$2.50 per month (the minimum recharge to
>> keep my SIM from expiring) for unlimited incoming minutes,
>
> I thought Malaysia was Calling Party Pays though? That's a very good
> deal for unlimited incoming if you'd have to pay for it otherwise
> though.

It is indeed calling party pays, I just wanted to play along.

Overall termination charges here are pretty low, but mobile is still about
twice landline (so typical rates to call Malaysia from the USA are 3c/min
landline, 6c/min mobile).

miguel
--
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Miguel Cruz <> wrote:

> chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco
<> wrote:
> > Miguel Cruz <> wrote:
> >> Sekhar <> wrote:
> >>> It really amazes me. India is the cheapest place for cellular plans.
> >>> For $4.00 a month they give you unlimited incoming minutes and $0.20
> >>> per minute for calling anywhere within India (with unlimited in-network
> >>> minutes from few carriers).
> >>
> >> Here in Malaysia I have to pay US$2.50 per month (the minimum recharge to
> >> keep my SIM from expiring) for unlimited incoming minutes,
> >
> > I thought Malaysia was Calling Party Pays though? That's a very good
> > deal for unlimited incoming if you'd have to pay for it otherwise
> > though.
>
> It is indeed calling party pays, I just wanted to play along.

Ah- ok. I have a couple of UK SIM's for which I get free incoming calls
(other person pays- their problem!) and all I have to do is make sure
the number is called every 6 months. It's the ne plus ultra for those of
us who don't need to make calls from the mobile for more than several
hundred minutes a month.

> Overall termination charges here are pretty low, but mobile is still about
> twice landline (so typical rates to call Malaysia from the USA are 3c/min
> landline, 6c/min mobile).

Yes, that's not bad. The only European country I've found that has low
mobile rates is Cyprus (South.) Until recently, it was a monopoly, so
it's interesting it was so cheap. (I would have thought the small area
and high population would make a difference there.)

--
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> Advice for calling US Mobile Phone?
>
use broadband and skype or other Voip technique - would be free.
Other way would be use http://tinyurl.com/9tffg - plenty of companie
who offers 2p/m calls from BT or cable landlines. Calls to US
landlines starts from 1p - beat that :

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