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{{{{{Welcome}}}}} wrote:

> In the USA the owner of the mobile you are calling has to pay to receive your
> call or it comes out of some of their inclusive minutes, some networks may
> allow for the first 30 seconds or so of an incoming call to be free. This
> also means it costs the same for you to call a USA mobile as it does a USA
> landline. Crazy system I know, and one I am glad never took off here in
> Europe and elsewhere. It might not mention about paying for incoming calls on
> some of the websites as in the USA it is common knowledge you have to pay.

I see. Hmm. Okay then, well, leading up to my final questions .. Can
anyone recommend what network the cheapest Pay-as-you go mobile she
could pick up would be, that would charge the least amount to receive an
incoming call from Britain? Just some pointers would be cool, I know so
little about US mobile companies that I just need somewhere to start.
Coverage would have to be good in the Ocean City area of Maryland.

Thanks again!!

On Sun, 22 May 2005 23:47:26 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<> wrote:

>If you want to go the mobile route, then if she gets a US PAYG phone you
>can call it using either inclusive minutes on an Orange or O2 mobile via
>Pre-Dial, or at relatively cheap rates from Sipgate (1.5p/min) or
>Telestunt/Telediscount etc. from a BT/Telewest line.

Just don't forget that she'll be paying part of the freight as US
mobile system is charged for both incoming and outgoing calls. There
is no penalty however for calling a mobile number. The rate to call
is the same as a fixed line.

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I cannot point you to the specific provision on the website, but I can tell
you that in the U.S. mobile numbers are on the same area codes as landlines,
that calls to mobiles are not surcharged, and that we normally pay for
incoming calls on our mobile plans. Even on contract plans, the exceptions
are few and far between. We have free mobile to mobile calls on many
contract plans (and on a small number of prepaid plans), we have free nights
and weekends, but incoming calls are come out of our bucket of minutes.

Whether the U.S. system or the European system of caller pays is a better
system has been debated extensively on various groups before. I go both
ways on this point and have no definitive answer.


"Mark" <> wrote in message
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> That's mad. I can't find anything on the 7-Eleven Speak Out site about
> having to pay for incoming calls, it says incoming texts but doesn't say
> incoming calls, can you point me to where to find out about this?
>
>
> Stuart Friedman wrote:
>> All calls with a few exceptions (e.g. certain mobile to mobile calls,
>> some off peak calls, etc.). All the exceptions are plan specific.
>>
>> Stu
>>
>> "Mark" <> wrote in message
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>>
>>>Stuart Friedman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Does your girl friend have a triband? One of the better prepaid
>>>>offerings comes from 711.com. Their speakout wireless phones are
>>>>effectively free and the per minute rate is $US0.20 a minute. It works
>>>>nationwide in the US, and has a one year expiry. Remember that in the
>>>>US incoming calls come out of your bucket of minutes.
>>>
>>>Sorry by this do you mean that if someone from abroad calls any native US
>>>mobile phone, even if that phone is in the US, they have to pay to
>>>/receive/ the call? Or does that go for all calls?
>>>
>>>Thanks.
>>>Mark.
>>
>>

On Sun, 22 May 2005 23:55:50 GMT, Mark <> wrote:

>You say that prepay telephones arent that common in the US, are they
>available anywhere at all? She doesn't have a triband phone... She'll
>be working in or around the ocean city area in maryland... can she pick
>up a prepay mobile there do you think?

That's nonsense that prepaid are not common in the US. Most every
operator has some sort of prepaid. T-Mobile, cingular, 7-11, Virgin
Mobile, Locus Mobile, Beyond Wireless, CallPlus and others. The only
GSM prepaid in the "traditioal" sense is T-Mobile, cingular.

You can pick up a prepaid package from most any of the ones mentioned
above. To get a prepaid SIM you're likely to get a better deal by
going to eBay than you are going to a traditional store. With the
non-GSM providers you'll likely have to buy a phone from them for
their service unless you can find a used phone that was on their
service previously. This is also true with 7-11 though it is a GSM
MVNO you cannot buy just the SIM from them. It's definitely not as
convenient as it is in Europe.

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Incoming calls cost the same whether the originator is in the UK or across
the street. The cheapest pay as you go plan carries a per day usesage charge
or very short termination periods. I think the best values on whole are
Virginmobile (http://www.virginmobileusa.com/), the 7-11 offering that I
mentioned, icallplus, libertywireless.com. In a few cities there is an
interesting alternative in a few select cities called Cricket
(https://www.mycricket.com/).


"Mark" <> wrote in message
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> {{{{{Welcome}}}}} wrote:
>
>> In the USA the owner of the mobile you are calling has to pay to receive
>> your call or it comes out of some of their inclusive minutes, some
>> networks may allow for the first 30 seconds or so of an incoming call to
>> be free. This also means it costs the same for you to call a USA mobile
>> as it does a USA landline. Crazy system I know, and one I am glad never
>> took off here in Europe and elsewhere. It might not mention about paying
>> for incoming calls on some of the websites as in the USA it is common
>> knowledge you have to pay.
>
> I see. Hmm. Okay then, well, leading up to my final questions .. Can
> anyone recommend what network the cheapest Pay-as-you go mobile she could
> pick up would be, that would charge the least amount to receive an
> incoming call from Britain? Just some pointers would be cool, I know so
> little about US mobile companies that I just need somewhere to start.
> Coverage would have to be good in the Ocean City area of Maryland.
>
> Thanks again!!

Stuart Friedman wrote:
> Incoming calls cost the same whether the originator is in the UK or across
> the street. The cheapest pay as you go plan carries a per day usesage charge
> or very short termination periods. I think the best values on whole are
> Virginmobile (http://www.virginmobileusa.com/), the 7-11 offering that I
> mentioned, icallplus, libertywireless.com. In a few cities there is an
> interesting alternative in a few select cities called Cricket
> (https://www.mycricket.com/).

Thanks...

Hmm, it looks like most of these charge around 0.10c a minute to receive
calls, looks like it's pretty much standard across the board, apart from
Cricket which doesn't cover Maryland...

Beginning to think it might actually be a lot cheaper to swap the odd
text and leave the onus on her to call me using a cheap calling card,
since that'll be far cheaper than the 10c a minute to receive an
incoming call, and then me do the same if she can get access to a landline..

Thanks for everyone's help

mark.

On Mon, 23 May 2005 01:11:05 GMT, "Stuart Friedman" <>
wrote:

>Incoming calls cost the same whether the originator is in the UK or across
>the street. The cheapest pay as you go plan carries a per day usesage charge
>or very short termination periods. I think the best values on whole are
>Virginmobile (http://www.virginmobileusa.com/), the 7-11 offering that I
>mentioned, icallplus, libertywireless.com. In a few cities there is an
>interesting alternative in a few select cities called Cricket
>(https://www.mycricket.com/).

Cheapest is Beyond Wireless.

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Mark <> wrote:
> Hmm, it looks like most of these charge around 0.10c a minute to receive
> calls, looks like it's pretty much standard across the board, apart from
> Cricket which doesn't cover Maryland...

If you will be talking a fair bit, then she should get a post-paid plan that
includes a fair-sized pail of minutes.

> Beginning to think it might actually be a lot cheaper to swap the odd
> text and leave the onus on her to call me using a cheap calling card,
> since that'll be far cheaper than the 10c a minute to receive an
> incoming call, and then me do the same if she can get access to a landline..

Anything that doesn't involve mobile phones will be a lot cheaper (pretty
close to free if you do it right).

miguel
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Mark wrote:
> That's mad. I can't find anything on the 7-Eleven Speak Out site
> about having to pay for incoming calls, it says incoming texts but
> doesn't say incoming calls, can you point me to where to find out
> about this?

Not mad at all. The US school of thought is simple - *you* choose to go
mobile, therefore *you* pay for the privilege. Why should a *caller* have
to pay extra because *you* want to go out..?

It's not normally a problem as most US calling plans have more inclusive
minutes than you know what to do with, but for PAYG you have to watch out.
Also note that calls are usually billed by the minute not the second, so a
1 minute 5 second call costs you 2 minutes.

BTW please note that top posting is frowned upon in this group, thanks.

Ivor

On Sun, 22 May 2005 23:55:50 GMT, Mark <> wrote:

>You say that prepay telephones arent that common in the US, are they
>available anywhere at all?

yes they are available but watch out for things like no roaming to
other networks, no roaming outside the home city or State etc. They
aren't common like in the UK, by far the majority are on contract
phones (paying for incoming calls is a factor).

GSM coverage has improved a lot but isn't everywhere by a long chalk,
so a review of maps is called for. Their are analogue and digital
prepay options (Virgin Mobile using Sprint is digital but not GSM so
texting won't work).

http://www.virginmobileusa.com/
http://www.t-mobile.com/

Phil
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