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cnw wrote:
> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> why? wrote:

>>> On 28 Jun 2005 18:10:12 GMT, Blinky the Shark wrote:

>>>>Gordon wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:16:58 +0000, SirReal wrote:


>>>>>> my original question was: why did you advertise
>>>>>> a product with a 30 gig hard drive and sent one
>>>>>> with only 25 gig.

>>>>> Quite right. Take the humble floppy disk. 2MB unformatted, only 1.44 MB
>>>>> formatted!

>>>>There used to be a way (well, I'm sure there still is <g>) to get
>>>>something like 1.8MB out of a floppy. Damned if I remember how, but
>>>>I've done it -- just for the sake of the experiment.

>>> DMF 1.68 and 1.72 etc, this will let you do it WinImage from
>>> www.winimage.com

>> I could've sworn it could be done without any special software, by
>> tweaking some native DOS file. I think I vaguely remember some file
>> that contained formats available to the native format command, and
>> adding lines that made available some larger formats; seems like there
>> were four or six of them or so (1.8MB being the largest (or at least
>> the largest recommended, before the magnetic granularity of the floppy
>> medium itself made things too edgy). Maybe I'm misremembering.

> I vaguely remember this also, but it's been a long time since I've used
> DOS. Perhaps you are remembering the superformat command in Linux, which
> has similar functionality? This also has a configuration file (/etc/fdprm
> or /etc/mediaprm) containing a list of the various formats available.

I wondered if I were mixing the two OSs, myself. I didn't think so, but
Looking at this:

[blinky@thurston blinky]$ less /etc/fdprm
# /etc/fdprm - floppy disk parameter table

# Common disk formats. Names are of the form
# actual media capacity/maximum drive capacity
# (Note: although 5.25" HD drives can format disks at 1.44M, they're listed
# as 1200 because that's the common maximum size.)

# size sec/t hds trk stre gap rate spec1 fmt_gap
360/360 720 9 2 40 0 0x2A 0x02 0xDF 0x50
1200/1200 2400 15 2 80 0 0x1B 0x00 0xDF 0x54
360/720 720 9 2 40 1 0x2A 0x02 0xDF 0x50
720/720 1440 9 2 80 0 0x2A 0x02 0xDF 0x50
720/1440 1440 9 2 80 0 0x2A 0x02 0xDF 0x50
360/1200 720 9 2 40 1 0x23 0x01 0xDF 0x50
720/1200 1440 9 2 80 0 0x23 0x01 0xDF 0x50
1440/1440 2880 18 2 80 0 0x1B 0x00 0xCF 0x6C

I don't see the 1.8-ish-MB size that we're talking about, but maybe *if*
this is what I used it was with a prior installation of Linux, so my
tracks aren't still in the mud.

Also, there's setfdprm (man setfdprm), but that doesn't address any
specific formats.

Also², there's this:

http://www.handhelds.org/download/di...2/etc/mediaprm

Look at that first list.

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cnw wrote:

>--
>Current peeve: The inability of many Google Groups (G2) users to
>attribute and quote text in followups.

And not my own sig.

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> What planet have you been living on for the past 30 years?! I *CANNOT*
> believe there is *STILL* someoneon this planet who doesn't know the
> difference between decimal and binary! You could have Googled instead of
> posting here and making yourself an even bigger ****wit than you already
> obviously are.
>
> Go back to living in your cave, or wherever it is you've spent the past
> three decades or so. You're speaking as though this isn't your first
> computer - didn't you notice the difference with other systems you've
> owned?!

....hey suckass...read my follow up post...i truely understand the
difference, it was taken into considereation...formatting does not take up 5
gigs..you moron...there is something else microscam and dell included...read
on fool....
idiot savant....

SirReal wrote:
>> What planet have you been living on for the past 30 years?! I
>> *CANNOT* believe there is *STILL* someoneon this planet who doesn't
>> know the difference between decimal and binary! You could have
>> Googled instead of posting here and making yourself an even bigger
>> ****wit than you already obviously are.
>>
>> Go back to living in your cave, or wherever it is you've spent the
>> past three decades or so. You're speaking as though this isn't your
>> first computer - didn't you notice the difference with other systems
>> you've owned?!
>
> ...hey suckass...read my follow up post...i truely understand the
> difference, it was taken into considereation...formatting does not
> take up 5 gigs..you moron...there is something else microscam and
> dell included...read on fool....
> idiot savant....

It's got nothing whatsoever to do with formatting, ****tard, it's pure
mathematics (though, as you obviously failed grade school maths as well as
English, you probably don't understand the difference).

On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 00:23:54 GMT, "SirReal" <> wrote:

<snip>
>...hey suckass...read my follow up post...i truely understand the
>difference, it was taken into considereation...formatting does not take up 5
>gigs..you moron...there is something else microscam and dell included...read
>on fool....
>idiot savant....

I'm sorry, but I have to rate this flame at a -6 on a 1-10 scale. The lames
are...well, just lame, the grammar stinks, and given your lack of attribution,
you're flaming...nobody.

"You accomplished something, but I'm pretty sure it isn't what you intended."

--
"No lusers were harmed in the creation of this usenet article.
AND I WANT TO KNOW WHY NOT!"
--glmar04 at twirl.mcc.ac.uk in a.s.r

I would have barked too, since it was you that didn't know jack about the
hdd and partition. The restore partition is clearly labeled in most cases.
BTW, XP can see more than 32gb also.


"SirReal" <> wrote in message
news:dLkwe.3789$dz6.2431@trnddc02...
> ...here is what i found out, i had to bark at
> 2 'techies' to finally get the answer. the disk
> 'format' took only took up a little over 2 gigs.
>
> here is what took up the rest:
>
> On all new Dell systems beginning 07/16/2004, Dell installed a PC Restore
> partition (DSR) that can be used in restoring the system to out-of-box
> condition. It is the easiest way to reinstall the Operating System.
>
> The Dell PC Restore partition (DSR) will take up approximately 3.0 GB of
the
> hard drive space. You can follow these steps to check the PC Restore
> partition in disk management.
>
> 1. Click Start -> Control Panel
> * Look to the left panel. If listed, click "Switch to Classic View"
> 2. Click Administrative Tools
> 3. Open Computer Management.
> 4. Click on Disk Management under Storage.
>
> The discrepancy in reporting drive sizes (base-2 vs. base-10) may lead you
> to believe that you have a hard disk drive of less than expected capacity
if
> you compare the figure reported by the operating system with the figure
> reported by your documentation, although the actual hard drive size is
> identical. Microsoft® Windows® simply counts the size differently, and
will
> report a different, slightly smaller, figure.
>
> Here are some common hard drive sizes and their size as reported by the
> operating system:
>
> 4.3 GB = 4.0 GB
> 6.4 GB = 6.10 GB
> 8.4 GB = 8.01 GB
> 9.1 GB = 8.68 GB
> 11.5 GB = 10.97 GB
> 13.6 GB =12.66 GB
> 16 GB =15.26 GB
> 20.0 GB = 18.6 GB
> 20.4 GB = 19.46 GB
> 24.4 GB = 22.99 GB
> 27.3 GB = 26.04 GB
> 30 GB = 28.61 GB
> 45 GB = 43 GB
>
> For more information, you may also refer to the link/site below:
>
>
http://support.dell.com/support/topi...en/document?DN
=1024750
>
> * If listed, click Home and Home Office
> * Type in your Service Tag number [press Enter]
>
> Also, I have checked your system specifications. Your hard disk drive has
> the 30 GB size it just happens that the other amount of it is allocated to
> the other components of your system.
>
> You can see how much space the Dell PC Restore partition (DSR) and other
> partitions occupy on the hard drive.
>
> Please Note: You should be logged on with an account with administrator
> rights to check and use Disk Management.
>
> wish they would have told me about this is some
> flyer or note in the setup guide or something. ah heck
> i enjoyed jumpin' down there throat. poetic justice.
> since they keep reducing the price of this machine.
> paid $599(US). now i can get the same thing for
> $540(US).
>
> christ you know it ain't easy, you know how hard it
> can be. the way things are going. there gonna
> crucify me.
>
>
>

He accomplished being a ****tard.

"Mara" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 00:23:54 GMT, "SirReal" <> wrote:
>
> <snip>
> >...hey suckass...read my follow up post...i truely understand the
> >difference, it was taken into considereation...formatting does not take
up 5
> >gigs..you moron...there is something else microscam and dell
included...read
> >on fool....
> >idiot savant....
>
> I'm sorry, but I have to rate this flame at a -6 on a 1-10 scale. The
lames
> are...well, just lame, the grammar stinks, and given your lack of
attribution,
> you're flaming...nobody.
>
> "You accomplished something, but I'm pretty sure it isn't what you
intended."
>
> --
> "No lusers were harmed in the creation of this usenet article.
> AND I WANT TO KNOW WHY NOT!"
> --glmar04 at twirl.mcc.ac.uk in a.s.r

> It's got nothing whatsoever to do with formatting, ****tard, it's pure
> mathematics (though, as you obviously failed grade school maths as well as
> English, you probably don't understand the difference).


....you still don't get it. damn yer simple minded...this
has nothing, NOTHING to do with mathmatics...the format is a given...what is
not is the givinen is the fact
that microscam and dell stuffed a 3 gig function for
recover/restrore without mentioning a thing about it...

....is that concept to difficult for you to understand??...
'course it is....

>
> I'm sorry, but I have to rate this flame at a -6 on a 1-10 scale. The
> lames
> are...well, just lame, the grammar stinks, and given your lack of
> attribution,
> you're flaming...nobody.

....no sir...a flame was not intended. lame??, gave you info that you 'probly
didn't know about. grammer, does it matter is the message was understood,
wasn't it??
attribution?? gain the info straight from the horses mouth.
i would think that at some would have appreciated it.

flaming nobody??. then i would have to conclude miss
tick is nobody.

i came here with a simple request. gained some very
concrete information. then the **** hits the fan. you
should be jumping miss tick's bones. not mine. i stood
up to a moron. and you...just flamed me...no who's lame??

keep all concise. if i could gain one. just one conversation of relavence
without caustic comments then this ng would
start out to be the a true 'help desk'...

"doS" <> wrote in message
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>I would have barked too, since it was you that didn't know jack about the
> hdd and partition. The restore partition is clearly labeled in most cases.
> BTW, XP can see more than 32gb also.

this has nothing to do with partition. this has to do with
code slipped upon one's hard drive without the user/buyer
knowing about it.

i completely know about about the appoximate amount of
space needed for the format. what i didn't know was the
deception perpetrated but microscam and dell. i do know now. does that
make any sense to you??.

please, i am not in the market for flames on this ng. i ask
questions and seemingly find there a vultures wanting to
cause a disturbance. leave them alone??, or fight back??. please advise.