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Will Dormann <> wrote in message news:<SGBCc.152632$> ...
> FransHals wrote:
> > http://www.acronis.com/products/trueimage/
> >
> > I need to do an image back up a machine. This looks like a better
> > solution than Ghost. Acronis allows you to do scheduled back ups
> > which is also a plus. Ideally I want to set up the clone machine
> > next to the older machine. Plug them both into the network and have
> > the new machine backing up the old once a week or every day.
>
> TrueImage is a great program.
> Incremental backups, scheduling, Linux filesystem support, and native
> "Network Neighborhood" support are a few of my favorite features.
>
> The only place you might run into a snag is that since the recovery CD
> is Linux-based, you might have trouble if you have some hardware which
> isn't supported by Linux.
>
> I question your "cloning" backup strategy, though. First, cloning is
> intended for use between drives in a single machine. Even if you could
> get some way to clone across machines, the hardware would need to be
> pretty much the same between the machines. And I'm sure you'll
> probably run into licensing/activation issues with XP if that's your OS.
>
> Wouldn't it make more sense to do an "Image" backup. That way you can
> take advantage of the scheduling, incremental, and other features of
> TrueImage. Plus you can keep multiple levels of backups, depending on
> your storage availability and backup needs. Heck, you can even
> dispense with the whole older machine. Save on power costs, if that's
> all that you'd be using it for. Just get an external USB2 or Firewire
> drive. (Or even a spare internal drive)
>
>
> -WD

The old machine has NT 4.0 SP 6. I would prefer to upgrade but I
really don't want to touch the old machine. It has on the front a
serial pot and USB 1.1. (which NT does not support).

1. So should I buy a new machine.
2. Remove the hard drive & put it in the old machine and do an Image
Backup.
3. Move the new drive back to the new machine and just use the new
machine.
4. Get an external USB2 or fireware or spare internal and use it on
the new machine?
5. Schedule back ups with True Image to the USB/Fireware/second
internal?

he moving the image over part from the old machine is what I am
confused about. I am trying to determine the easiest method.

Will the new machine work if it is using XP or 2000?

I think an exernal USB and DVD backs ups may be the safest.

FransHals wrote:
>
> The old machine has NT 4.0 SP 6. I would prefer to upgrade but I
> really don't want to touch the old machine. It has on the front a
> serial pot and USB 1.1. (which NT does not support).

If you want a backup system for that particular machine, then put
another hard drive in the system and image to that. Should your main
drive fail (or a virus hits or whatever), you'll have a backup image on
your secondary drive.

If you want the drive to be usable in more than one system (or just want
to be able to swap out the drive), then get a removable drive bay along
with the drive.


-WD

On 24 Jun 2004 14:10:47 -0700, (FransHals)
wrote:

>The old machine has NT 4.0 SP 6. I would prefer to upgrade but I
>really don't want to touch the old machine. It has on the front a
>serial pot and USB 1.1. (which NT does not support).

There's a very good chance the True Image boot disk will recognize
your USB1.1 port and allow you to make a non-invasive backup from
this. I've done this several times on systems with old OS's. Power
down, plug in the external USB drive, boot to the TI cd or floppies,
and back up directly to the external drive. Slow, compared to USB2,
but very low risk.

>1. So should I buy a new machine.
>2. Remove the hard drive & put it in the old machine and do an Image
>Backup.
>3. Move the new drive back to the new machine and just use the new
>machine.

Far easier and less invasive would be to backup to an external via
boot disk as described above, plug this into the new system, and
restore to the new HD using the boot disk. Fastest would be to
install both HDs into the new machine and clone from the old to the
new. If you screw up and do it backwards, you're toast, which is
another benefit of the external - it leaves your original intact in
the existing system. Any problems at all, and you plug the old box
back in, just like before.

>4. Get an external USB2 or fireware or spare internal and use it on
>the new machine?

Each has benefits and drawbacks. Internal runs both on the same power
supply, so power supply problems could fry both disks at once. The
footprint is smaller, though, and there's no external to drop. If the
internal needed to be replaced, it's riskier to open up the system.

Externals can be moved around, plugged into other systems for
archives, replaced/serviced without risking the primary system.
They're easier to drop or misplace, and external cables (especially
USB, which are not always very secure) can come loose more easily than
internals.

>5. Schedule back ups with True Image to the USB/Fireware/second
>internal?

>he moving the image over part from the old machine is what I am
>confused about. I am trying to determine the easiest method.

TI7 has a function to clone one disk to another if both are on the
same machine. Easiest is with an external, since you only need to
plug USB connectors and boot to TI7.

>Will the new machine work if it is using XP or 2000?

Yes, but when you clone the old image over, the new machine will be
running identically to the old one - same OS, same drives, same
everything. This can cause a problem with hardware drivers and such.

>I think an exernal USB and DVD backs ups may be the safest.

I agree. This is what I do. At home, it has the added benefit that I
can lock the external drive in the safe when I go on vacation.


--
Neil Maxwell - I don't speak for my employer

Neil Maxwell <> wrote in message news:<>. ..
> On 24 Jun 2004 14:10:47 -0700, (FransHals)
> wrote:
>
> >The old machine has NT 4.0 SP 6. I would prefer to upgrade but I
> >really don't want to touch the old machine. It has on the front a
> >serial pot and USB 1.1. (which NT does not support).
>
> There's a very good chance the True Image boot disk will recognize
> your USB1.1 port and allow you to make a non-invasive backup from
> this. I've done this several times on systems with old OS's. Power
> down, plug in the external USB drive, boot to the TI cd or floppies,
> and back up directly to the external drive. Slow, compared to USB2,
> but very low risk.
>
> >1. So should I buy a new machine.
> >2. Remove the hard drive & put it in the old machine and do an Image
> >Backup.
> >3. Move the new drive back to the new machine and just use the new
> >machine.
>
> Far easier and less invasive would be to backup to an external via
> boot disk as described above, plug this into the new system, and
> restore to the new HD using the boot disk. Fastest would be to
> install both HDs into the new machine and clone from the old to the
> new. If you screw up and do it backwards, you're toast, which is
> another benefit of the external - it leaves your original intact in
> the existing system. Any problems at all, and you plug the old box
> back in, just like before.
>
> >4. Get an external USB2 or fireware or spare internal and use it on
> >the new machine?
>
> Each has benefits and drawbacks. Internal runs both on the same power
> supply, so power supply problems could fry both disks at once. The
> footprint is smaller, though, and there's no external to drop. If the
> internal needed to be replaced, it's riskier to open up the system.
>
> Externals can be moved around, plugged into other systems for
> archives, replaced/serviced without risking the primary system.
> They're easier to drop or misplace, and external cables (especially
> USB, which are not always very secure) can come loose more easily than
> internals.
>
> >5. Schedule back ups with True Image to the USB/Fireware/second
> >internal?
>
> >he moving the image over part from the old machine is what I am
> >confused about. I am trying to determine the easiest method.
>
> TI7 has a function to clone one disk to another if both are on the
> same machine. Easiest is with an external, since you only need to
> plug USB connectors and boot to TI7.
>
> >Will the new machine work if it is using XP or 2000?
>
> Yes, but when you clone the old image over, the new machine will be
> running identically to the old one - same OS, same drives, same
> everything. This can cause a problem with hardware drivers and such.

Yeah this may be the rub.

> >I think an exernal USB and DVD backs ups may be the safest.
>
> I agree. This is what I do. At home, it has the added benefit that I
> can lock the external drive in the safe when I go on vacation.

Smart.

Thanks for the feedback. This is exactly what I was looking for. I
want to do the safets backup first then if I want to throw a second
drive in the machine - I will have the back up.

I have bought the software and need to get an external drive. Anyone
have any preferences? Office Depot has a Maxtor 120 gb for about
$154.

On 25 Jun 2004 15:57:20 -0700, (FransHals)
wrote:

>I have bought the software and need to get an external drive. Anyone
>have any preferences? Office Depot has a Maxtor 120 gb for about
>$154.

I buy most of my hardware from www.newegg.com these days, but there's
a lot to be said for a local vendor if there's not a big price
difference. Returns are much quicker and easier, if necessary.


--
Neil Maxwell - I don't speak for my employer

Will Dormann <> wrote in message news:<tvHCc.11$>...
> FransHals wrote:
> >
> > The old machine has NT 4.0 SP 6. I would prefer to upgrade but I
> > really don't want to touch the old machine. It has on the front a
> > serial pot and USB 1.1. (which NT does not support).
>
> If you want a backup system for that particular machine, then put
> another hard drive in the system and image to that. Should your main
> drive fail (or a virus hits or whatever), you'll have a backup image on
> your secondary drive.
>
> If you want the drive to be usable in more than one system (or just want
> to be able to swap out the drive), then get a removable drive bay along
> with the drive.
>
>
> -WD

The machine I am running is a 3 to 4 year old HP Pavilion with NT 4.0
SP6.

I would like to image using Acronis 7.0 to a new machine and keep the
new spare as the back up or maybe the old one as the back up.

The problem is if I go out and buy a new Dell or HP - I can take the
new drive out and copy an image with Acronis.

If I plug the new drive in - I will have hardware problems or will I?

If I will have hardware problems should I:

1. Try to find a used old Pavilion of the same model?

2. Open the old Pavilion and try to find the motherboard, BIOS and
chip set? Is HP motherboard and stuff proprietary?

Thanks for any input.

FransHals wrote:

> The machine I am running is a 3 to 4 year old HP Pavilion with NT 4.0
> SP6.
>
> I would like to image using Acronis 7.0 to a new machine and keep the
> new spare as the back up or maybe the old one as the back up.
>
> The problem is if I go out and buy a new Dell or HP - I can take the
> new drive out and copy an image with Acronis.
>
> If I plug the new drive in - I will have hardware problems or will I?

You probably will. Forget about trying to match the hardware. If
you back up the system with TrueImage (or whatever), all your data will
be there.

If the hardware changes are significant enough that the OS won't even
boot, then you can try doing an "in-place" OS installation over top of
what you've got and it should detect any new hardware. Or just install
whatever OS you like cleanly and then extract the important files from
the TrueImage backup file.


-WD

If it is SCSI or RAID, the system will not boot unless the adapter is moved to
the new system. IDE will have no problems, unless you aren't using Microsoft
ATAPI.

"FransHals" <> wrote in message
news: om...
>
> The machine I am running is a 3 to 4 year old HP Pavilion with NT 4.0
> SP6.
>
> I would like to image using Acronis 7.0 to a new machine and keep the
> new spare as the back up or maybe the old one as the back up.
>
> The problem is if I go out and buy a new Dell or HP - I can take the
> new drive out and copy an image with Acronis.
>
> If I plug the new drive in - I will have hardware problems or will I?
>
> If I will have hardware problems should I:
>
> 1. Try to find a used old Pavilion of the same model?
>
> 2. Open the old Pavilion and try to find the motherboard, BIOS and
> chip set? Is HP motherboard and stuff proprietary?
>

It is IDE. Thanks guys. I should have the (paid for) copies of NT
4.0 SP 6 if I need to install NT as he other fellow mentioned. I
guess I can also probably buy a copy on eBay.

"Eric Gisin" <> wrote in message news:<>...
> If it is SCSI or RAID, the system will not boot unless the adapter is moved to
> the new system. IDE will have no problems, unless you aren't using Microsoft
> ATAPI.
>
> "FransHals" <> wrote in message
> news: om...
> >
> > The machine I am running is a 3 to 4 year old HP Pavilion with NT 4.0
> > SP6.
> >
> > I would like to image using Acronis 7.0 to a new machine and keep the
> > new spare as the back up or maybe the old one as the back up.
> >
> > The problem is if I go out and buy a new Dell or HP - I can take the
> > new drive out and copy an image with Acronis.
> >
> > If I plug the new drive in - I will have hardware problems or will I?
> >
> > If I will have hardware problems should I:
> >
> > 1. Try to find a used old Pavilion of the same model?
> >
> > 2. Open the old Pavilion and try to find the motherboard, BIOS and
> > chip set? Is HP motherboard and stuff proprietary?
> >

On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 21:20:30 GMT, Will Dormann
<> wrote:

>Or just install
>whatever OS you like cleanly and then extract the important files from
>the TrueImage backup file.

This is the technique I use when I help non-techies upgrade. Back up
the existing system to an image, perform a clean install of the new
OS, and install an extra backup drive, either internal or external.
The image of the old system stays on the backup drive, where they can
mount it and browse stuff they've discovered missing. It works well,
and is easy to walk someone through.


--
Neil Maxwell - I don't speak for my employer