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Zac
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      05-18-2004
Hi everyone...

I'm having a big problem with a state candidate for Congress sending me
unsolicited email. There was a time that I was a subscriber to his mailing
lists, but I used the vehicles he provided to remove myself from his mailing
lists. I have called and emailed his webmaster, his campaign HQ, and even
the person that owns the company that provides his domain name hosting (I'm
not sure if I'm using the right words there). I plugged the headers from
the SPAM into SPAMCOP and found out that a local (New Orleans) company
provides his domain name hosting. I called them and they basically pushed
me off, telling me there was nothing they could do, and when I threatened to
contact the state AG's office regarding the campaign's violation of a state
anti-SPAM law, he said "do what you got to do."

I have since determined that the statute I referred to has a convenient
loophole for political speech, so that route is no longer viable. What can
I do now? Who is the next step? The person/company that provide the domain
name hosting (that don't seem to care) have to buy their services from a
"larger" provider, right? How can I find out who that company is? I would
like this stopped, and I'm not sure what to do now.

Thank you for your advice.


 
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Linda
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      05-18-2004
Email his opponents.

"Zac" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:Ygnqc.578$l%(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi everyone...
>
> I'm having a big problem with a state candidate for

Congress sending me
> unsolicited email. There was a time that I was a

subscriber to his mailing
> lists, but I used the vehicles he provided to remove

myself from his mailing
> lists. I have called and emailed his webmaster, his

campaign HQ, and even
> the person that owns the company that provides his domain

name hosting (I'm
> not sure if I'm using the right words there). I plugged

the headers from
> the SPAM into SPAMCOP and found out that a local (New

Orleans) company
> provides his domain name hosting. I called them and they

basically pushed
> me off, telling me there was nothing they could do, and

when I threatened to
> contact the state AG's office regarding the campaign's

violation of a state
> anti-SPAM law, he said "do what you got to do."
>
> I have since determined that the statute I referred to has

a convenient
> loophole for political speech, so that route is no longer

viable. What can
> I do now? Who is the next step? The person/company that

provide the domain
> name hosting (that don't seem to care) have to buy their

services from a
> "larger" provider, right? How can I find out who that

company is? I would
> like this stopped, and I'm not sure what to do now.
>
> Thank you for your advice.
>
>



 
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Zac
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      05-18-2004

"Linda" <somewhere.in.the@barossa> wrote in message
news:7zoqc.45615$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Email his opponents.
>
> "Zac" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:Ygnqc.578$l%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Hi everyone...
> >
> > I'm having a big problem with a state candidate for

> Congress sending me
> > unsolicited email. There was a time that I was a

> subscriber to his mailing
> > lists, but I used the vehicles he provided to remove

> myself from his mailing
> > lists. I have called and emailed his webmaster, his

> campaign HQ, and even
> > the person that owns the company that provides his domain

> name hosting (I'm
> > not sure if I'm using the right words there). I plugged

> the headers from
> > the SPAM into SPAMCOP and found out that a local (New

> Orleans) company
> > provides his domain name hosting. I called them and they

> basically pushed
> > me off, telling me there was nothing they could do, and

> when I threatened to
> > contact the state AG's office regarding the campaign's

> violation of a state
> > anti-SPAM law, he said "do what you got to do."
> >
> > I have since determined that the statute I referred to has

> a convenient
> > loophole for political speech, so that route is no longer

> viable. What can
> > I do now? Who is the next step? The person/company that

> provide the domain
> > name hosting (that don't seem to care) have to buy their

> services from a
> > "larger" provider, right? How can I find out who that

> company is? I would
> > like this stopped, and I'm not sure what to do now.


That was the first thing I did after being miffed by the guy's domain name
provider. But nobody has answered the what I thought would be an easy
question. Is there another level above the domain name host? Who provides
his Internet services? I find it hard to believe that the "chain of
command" ends at that level. That would make the chain (in my example,
anyway) look something like:

Customer (spammer)>Domain Name Provider ("do what you got to do")>end.
Doesn't the Domain Name Provider have to purchase his services (for his
server?) from someone? That's who I'm looking for.

Thanks again.


 
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CephusŪ
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      05-18-2004
Zac said in a way to sound cool:
> "Linda" <somewhere.in.the@barossa> wrote in message
> news:7zoqc.45615$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Email his opponents.
>>
>> "Zac" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:Ygnqc.578$l%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> Hi everyone...
>>>
>>> I'm having a big problem with a state candidate for

>> Congress sending me
>>> unsolicited email. There was a time that I was a

>> subscriber to his mailing
>>> lists, but I used the vehicles he provided to remove

>> myself from his mailing
>>> lists. I have called and emailed his webmaster, his

>> campaign HQ, and even
>>> the person that owns the company that provides his domain

>> name hosting (I'm
>>> not sure if I'm using the right words there). I plugged

>> the headers from
>>> the SPAM into SPAMCOP and found out that a local (New

>> Orleans) company
>>> provides his domain name hosting. I called them and they

>> basically pushed
>>> me off, telling me there was nothing they could do, and

>> when I threatened to
>>> contact the state AG's office regarding the campaign's

>> violation of a state
>>> anti-SPAM law, he said "do what you got to do."
>>>
>>> I have since determined that the statute I referred to has

>> a convenient
>>> loophole for political speech, so that route is no longer

>> viable. What can
>>> I do now? Who is the next step? The person/company that

>> provide the domain
>>> name hosting (that don't seem to care) have to buy their

>> services from a
>>> "larger" provider, right? How can I find out who that

>> company is? I would
>>> like this stopped, and I'm not sure what to do now.

>
> That was the first thing I did after being miffed by the guy's domain
> name provider. But nobody has answered the what I thought would be
> an easy question. Is there another level above the domain name host?
> Who provides his Internet services? I find it hard to believe that
> the "chain of command" ends at that level. That would make the chain
> (in my example, anyway) look something like:
>
> Customer (spammer)>Domain Name Provider ("do what you got to do")>end.
> Doesn't the Domain Name Provider have to purchase his services (for
> his server?) from someone? That's who I'm looking for.
>
> Thanks again.


well one thing you could do is if the email comes from the same exact email
address, you can just create a filter that would maybe automatically delete
it. Or you could just make the filter to delete every email that comes from
that domain. The problem might be in the code on their site. Maybe what
you did to take your name off, actually didn't take your name off. Find out
about that as well.
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you can hear C programmers debugging...

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Jerry G.
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      05-18-2004
The next time you get his email do the following: Highlight the email header
by using a single click on it, but do not open it. At the top of OE's frame,
click on Message, and then Block Sender. That sender email will not get in
to your Inbox anymore. This is providing he is using the same email address
for each send.

The only other way is to get a lawyer and take him to court under harassment
charges. You can also start to complain to his ISP that he is Spamming. But
some ISP's will ignore this if it is a big client. I just recently filed
charges against a Fax Spammer, and won my case. It was expensive for the
lawyer fees and court costs. But, I have my piece of mind now, even though
I never recovered my costs and losses with this.

--

Jerry G.
=====


"Zac" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:Ygnqc.578$l%(E-Mail Removed)...
Hi everyone...

I'm having a big problem with a state candidate for Congress sending me
unsolicited email. There was a time that I was a subscriber to his mailing
lists, but I used the vehicles he provided to remove myself from his mailing
lists. I have called and emailed his webmaster, his campaign HQ, and even
the person that owns the company that provides his domain name hosting (I'm
not sure if I'm using the right words there). I plugged the headers from
the SPAM into SPAMCOP and found out that a local (New Orleans) company
provides his domain name hosting. I called them and they basically pushed
me off, telling me there was nothing they could do, and when I threatened to
contact the state AG's office regarding the campaign's violation of a state
anti-SPAM law, he said "do what you got to do."

I have since determined that the statute I referred to has a convenient
loophole for political speech, so that route is no longer viable. What can
I do now? Who is the next step? The person/company that provide the domain
name hosting (that don't seem to care) have to buy their services from a
"larger" provider, right? How can I find out who that company is? I would
like this stopped, and I'm not sure what to do now.

Thank you for your advice.



 
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anthonyberet
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      05-18-2004
Zac wrote:
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> Thank you for your advice.


Just add the address to your blocklist


 
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Thund3rstruck_n0i
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      05-18-2004
Zac spilled my beer when they jumped on the table and proclaimed in
<UWnqc.813$l%(E-Mail Removed)>

> I bet you're winded after that reply. Someone should do something about
> the troll problem in here...


Zac, if you think he's a troll, then why reply to him?

NOI

 
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Zac
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      05-19-2004

"CephusŪ" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Zac said in a way to sound cool:
> > "Linda" <somewhere.in.the@barossa> wrote in message
> > news:7zoqc.45615$(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> Email his opponents.
> >>
> >> "Zac" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> >> news:Ygnqc.578$l%(E-Mail Removed)...
> >>> Hi everyone...
> >>>
> >>> I'm having a big problem with a state candidate for
> >> Congress sending me
> >>> unsolicited email. There was a time that I was a
> >> subscriber to his mailing
> >>> lists, but I used the vehicles he provided to remove
> >> myself from his mailing
> >>> lists. I have called and emailed his webmaster, his
> >> campaign HQ, and even
> >>> the person that owns the company that provides his domain
> >> name hosting (I'm
> >>> not sure if I'm using the right words there). I plugged
> >> the headers from
> >>> the SPAM into SPAMCOP and found out that a local (New
> >> Orleans) company
> >>> provides his domain name hosting. I called them and they
> >> basically pushed
> >>> me off, telling me there was nothing they could do, and
> >> when I threatened to
> >>> contact the state AG's office regarding the campaign's
> >> violation of a state
> >>> anti-SPAM law, he said "do what you got to do."
> >>>
> >>> I have since determined that the statute I referred to has
> >> a convenient
> >>> loophole for political speech, so that route is no longer
> >> viable. What can
> >>> I do now? Who is the next step? The person/company that
> >> provide the domain
> >>> name hosting (that don't seem to care) have to buy their
> >> services from a
> >>> "larger" provider, right? How can I find out who that
> >> company is? I would
> >>> like this stopped, and I'm not sure what to do now.

> >
> > That was the first thing I did after being miffed by the guy's domain
> > name provider. But nobody has answered the what I thought would be
> > an easy question. Is there another level above the domain name host?
> > Who provides his Internet services? I find it hard to believe that
> > the "chain of command" ends at that level. That would make the chain
> > (in my example, anyway) look something like:
> >
> > Customer (spammer)>Domain Name Provider ("do what you got to do")>end.
> > Doesn't the Domain Name Provider have to purchase his services (for
> > his server?) from someone? That's who I'm looking for.
> >
> > Thanks again.

>
> well one thing you could do is if the email comes from the same exact

email
> address, you can just create a filter that would maybe automatically

delete
> it. Or you could just make the filter to delete every email that comes

from
> that domain. The problem might be in the code on their site. Maybe what
> you did to take your name off, actually didn't take your name off. Find

out
> about that as well.



Yes, yes, I know that. And thank you all for the advice on the filters.
This is not something that I'm really interested in filtering, though. The
point was to try to escalate this issue to someone who could actually do
something about the problem. This is not some faceless Czech spammer that
uses computers from around the world to mask his identity. This is a
scumball politician (maybe there's little difference?) that I would like
held accountable.

Thanks again for your suggestions.


 
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Zac
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      05-19-2004

"Jerry G." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:c8d8rq$co9$(E-Mail Removed)...
> The next time you get his email do the following: Highlight the email

header
> by using a single click on it, but do not open it. At the top of OE's

frame,
> click on Message, and then Block Sender. That sender email will not get

in
> to your Inbox anymore. This is providing he is using the same email

address
> for each send.
>
> The only other way is to get a lawyer and take him to court under

harassment
> charges. You can also start to complain to his ISP that he is Spamming.

But
> some ISP's will ignore this if it is a big client. I just recently filed
> charges against a Fax Spammer, and won my case. It was expensive for the
> lawyer fees and court costs. But, I have my piece of mind now, even

though
> I never recovered my costs and losses with this.



Well, I'm a law student, actually, and while this would be an interesting
project to work on in my free time, I don't have any free time to spare.
There are statutory remedies in addition to a "harassment claim," but our
ass-backwards attorney general isn't too interested in stopping stuff like
this. Oh well.


 
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Zac
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      05-19-2004

"Thund3rstruck_n0i" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Zac spilled my beer when they jumped on the table and proclaimed in
> <UWnqc.813$l%(E-Mail Removed)>
>
> > I bet you're winded after that reply. Someone should do something about
> > the troll problem in here...

>
> Zac, if you think he's a troll, then why reply to him?
>
> NOI


You're right. Shame on me; it won't happen again.


 
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