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In article <4tgfiosio6ny$.>,
Mark Parnell <> wrote:

> Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, dorayme
> <> declared in alt.html:
>
> > Do you know what it means to say to someone
> > in a semi-friendly (Australian sort of) way that they are a poor
> > schmuck?
>
> Much the same as calling them a bastard.

You have half of it right, the bit that connotes it is not as
harsh as it sounds. But you don't have the other half right. For
me, a schmuck is more a person to be pitied to some extent. A
bastard is certainly not this. But it is complicated and I will
stop....

--
dorayme

In article
<. ac.uk>,
"Alan J. Flavell" <> wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Mar 2006, Neredbojias enquired:
>
> > Do you know what "schmuck" really means?
>
> In Yiddish? As a matter of fact, yes, I do; but if I didn't,
> a few moments with a search engine would suffice to remedy that.

I doubt it. If you follow the way folks who break for lawn deer,
you get one thing... if you just average Google, you get another.

In the end, you can't easily get this stuff from reading defns.
You have to feel it. Yes, you have to be self-conscious enough to
know one's own inner schmuck in order to recognise that in others.

--
dorayme

In article <>, Neredbojias took
the hamburger, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh wow"...

> With neither quill nor qualm, trippy quothed:
>
> > In article <Pine.WNT.4.64.0603220138220.1712@ZORIN>, Alan J. Flavell
> > took the hamburger, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh wow"...
> >
> > > On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, trippy wrote:
> > >
> > > > @news.spartanicus.utvinternet.ie>, Spartanicus took the hamburger, threw
> > > > it on the grill, and I said "Oh wow"...
> > > >
> > > > > trippy <> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >> Avoid w3schools.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >why?
> > > > >
> > > > > Because it's didactically poor and littered with errors.
> > > >
> > > > How so?
> > >
> > > If you understood the web, you'd know. If you don't, then maybe you'd
> > > be advised to heed the advice of Spartanicus until you do.
> > >
> > > "littered with errors" isn't something that you can reasonably expect
> > > to be corrected by an occasional usenet posting. Get real.
> > >
> >
> > I'll thank you kindly to leave your condescension at the door.
>
> I see no condescension.

I do. I don't need him, you or anybody else to talk down to me like I'm
some ****ing homeboy that just found a ****ing keyboard. I didn't.

> When you replied to "littered with errors" with
> "How so?", what did you expect, an annotated explanation?

An example, maybe. To be honest, I wasn't really *expecting* anything.
It's called discussion. And I don't need to justify it either. I was
curious as to why he thought it was riddled with errors, since I have
actually used the site and didn't see it. But you know what? **** it. I
don't need to know that bad. I pretty much *don't* care now, because
some ****wad, who's apparently God's gift to the interwebs was disturbed
that I actually had the ****ING TEMERITY to ask a simple question.

I didn't realize that writing two words would touch off world war
****ing 3, but so be it.

> The thing is
> buggy, okay, at least in Sparty's opinion (as well as others, including
> mine) and if you have doubts, try it yourself.

Fine. It's buggy. Great.

>
> > I asked because I actually have used the site to learn some things about
> > javascript so I was wondering maybe if there were a couple of the things
> > that were glaringly inaccurate. I wasn't asking for a book about it.
>
> This is good, but offered in hindsight.

This is good, but offered in hindsight.

****. You.

I have nothing to apologize for. Out.

> For my own offering, I see so
> many people ask questions here about things I researched and figured out
> myself, -properly so. This isn't Sadie Mae's html and css help dept.

I didn't just find usenet either. I have a biiiiiig long google posting
history.

> If you have a _real_ problem, okay, most would be glad to help (if they
> can), but there have been so many absolutely stupid pleas for simplistic
> assistance lately it's just plain exasperating.

I don't need you, period.

> Some guy up there can't
> figure out how to do a javascript random-quote thing.

<html>
<head>
<script type="text/javascript">

function randomThingy() {

var sayings = new Array();
sayings[0] = "Now is the winter of our discontent.";
sayings[1] = "Ask not for whom the bell tolls...";
sayings[2] = "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can
do for your country.";
sayings[3] = "I like pie."

var x = -3;
var saying;


while (x < 0 || x > sayings.length - 1) {

x = Math.round(Math.random() *100);


}


document.write("<p>" + sayings[x] + "</p>");

}


</script>
</head>
<body>

<script type="text/javascript">randomThingy();</script>

</body>
</html>


There, now he doesn't have to ****ing wonder anymore because some
dickwad wants to get his jollies on having more education and/or
experience.

It took all of an hour and an internet connection.

Help a brotha or don't, fine. Don't be a ****ing cock about it.


> Well I did that
> years ago and in more than one flavor but it's time-consuming so I'm not
> going to "take him by the hand" through all the script necessary to make
> it right. Either he knows j/s or he doesn't. If he doesn't, learn it!
> Just think, whatever you do learn, you can use anytime you want!

You're under the impression that I need you for anything. I'll find my
way just fine without you. Sheeya. Dick.


--
trippy
mhm31x9 Smeeter#29 WSD#30
sTaRShInE_mOOnBeAm aT HoTmAil dOt CoM

NP: "The Way It Is" -- Tesla

"Now, technology's getting better all the time and that's fine,
but most of the time all you need is a stick of gum, a pocketknife,
and a smile."

-- Robert Redford "Spy Game"

With neither quill nor qualm, trippy quothed:

<snip a bunch of crap>
>
> You're under the impression that I need you for anything. I'll find my
> way just fine without you. Sheeya. Dick.

That's exactly the point, drippy. Indeed, find your own way with your
best effort and _then and only then_ if you have real problems, ask.
Don't whine about every little thing that might need to be researched to
resolve. Of course, those who prefer posting crass invective in
response to differing opinions probably lack the adroitness necessary to
succeed in any case.

--
Neredbojias
Contrary to popular belief, it is believable.

With neither quill nor qualm, Mark Parnell quothed:

> Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, Neredbojias
> <> declared in alt.html:
>
> > Do you know what "schmuck" really means?
>
> In German it means jewel (or jewelry); in Yiddish it means a jerk. I'm
> guessing dorayme meant the latter, but we'll see.

Well according to a bunch of Jews on the outskirts of Chicago, it means
something else. I suppose, though, that could be a more-or-less local
interpretation.

--
Neredbojias
Contrary to popular belief, it is believable.

With neither quill nor qualm, dorayme quothed:

> In article <>,
> Neredbojias <> wrote:
>
> > > Anyway, no one is perfect. You will be closer to perfection by a
> > > smidgeon after your encounter with Office Bud White. You will be
> > > piping a different tune then. Trust me Boji, you are a poor
> > > schmuck, and I have special instructions from my minders to keep
> > > an eye out for you.
> >
> > Do you know what "schmuck" really means?
>
> No, I have no idea? Do you know what it means to say to someone
> in a semi-friendly (Australian sort of) way that they are a poor
> schmuck?

Actually, I've never done that, but I have discovered that semi-friendly
gestures can often be misinterpreted as semi-inimical.

--
Neredbojias
Contrary to popular belief, it is believable.

With neither quill nor qualm, Alan J. Flavell quothed:

> On Wed, 22 Mar 2006, Neredbojias enquired:
>
> > Do you know what "schmuck" really means?
>
> In Yiddish? As a matter of fact, yes, I do; but if I didn't,
> a few moments with a search engine would suffice to remedy that.

The colloquialism I learned might be considered "communed-by-mouth" and
is unlikely to appear written anywhere.

--
Neredbojias
Contrary to popular belief, it is believable.

In article <>, Neredbojias took
the hamburger, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh wow"...

> With neither quill nor qualm, trippy quothed:
>
> <snip a bunch of crap>
> >
> > You're under the impression that I need you for anything. I'll find my
> > way just fine without you. Sheeya. Dick.
>
> That's exactly the point, drippy. Indeed, find your own way with your
> best effort and _then and only then_ if you have real problems, ask.
> Don't whine about every little thing that might need to be researched to
> resolve. Of course, those who prefer posting crass invective in
> response to differing opinions probably lack the adroitness necessary to
> succeed in any case.
>

It's not the opinion difference I had the problem with, it's the
arrogance that went along with it. Just because people know things, why
tease the ones who don't? It's stupid. I've seen some of the sites that
come out of here. Some are impressive. And yeah, people asking you for
**** all the time gets old. I get that. But I was asking out of genuine
curiosity, not because I needed something to happen, or whatever.

And I pretty much took it all out on you today. FWIW, that wasn't
intentional.



--
trippy
mhm31x9 Smeeter#29 WSD#30
sTaRShInE_mOOnBeAm aT HoTmAil dOt CoM

NP: "The Way It Is" -- Tesla

"Now, technology's getting better all the time and that's fine,
but most of the time all you need is a stick of gum, a pocketknife,
and a smile."

-- Robert Redford "Spy Game"

With neither quill nor qualm, trippy quothed:

> In article <>, Neredbojias took
> the hamburger, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh wow"...
>
> > With neither quill nor qualm, trippy quothed:
> >
> > <snip a bunch of crap>
> > >
> > > You're under the impression that I need you for anything. I'll find my
> > > way just fine without you. Sheeya. Dick.
> >
> > That's exactly the point, drippy. Indeed, find your own way with your
> > best effort and _then and only then_ if you have real problems, ask.
> > Don't whine about every little thing that might need to be researched to
> > resolve. Of course, those who prefer posting crass invective in
> > response to differing opinions probably lack the adroitness necessary to
> > succeed in any case.
> >
>
> It's not the opinion difference I had the problem with, it's the
> arrogance that went along with it. Just because people know things, why
> tease the ones who don't? It's stupid. I've seen some of the sites that
> come out of here. Some are impressive. And yeah, people asking you for
> **** all the time gets old. I get that. But I was asking out of genuine
> curiosity, not because I needed something to happen, or whatever.

Yes, I've seen arrogance here, too. I don't particularly think Alan was
being arrogant, -a little short maybe, but perhaps we differ in that
opinion.

I've also seen teasing, some of it probably unintentional, some not.
And it's sad, even pathetic, certainly juvenile along with the
arrogance. Fortunately, however, we having a resident "initiator" to
help inure newbies to the exigencies of alt.html. We try to spread him
around as much as we can, but **** only goes so far. Anyway, I suggest
you'd greatly benefit from reading a subset of the plethora of past
postings authoring by Onideus Mad Hatter and his not-always-willing
lackeys. They give new meaning to pretentiousness (-meaning the posts,
of course,) and make unaffiliated efforts seem so much more palatable
than otherwise.

> And I pretty much took it all out on you today. FWIW, that wasn't
> intentional.

Everybody needs to let off steam occasionally. But how we do it counts
for something as well as our principles and usual behavior.

--
Neredbojias
Contrary to popular belief, it is believable.

Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, Neredbojias
<> declared in alt.html:

> Anyway, I suggest
> you'd greatly benefit from reading a subset of the plethora of past
> postings authoring by Onideus Mad Hatter and his not-always-willing
> lackeys.

Hmmm...better watch yourself Neredbojias - I think you'll find that
"trippy" *is* one of OMH's lackeys, formerly known as Starshine
Moonbeam. Check out the email address in his .sig.

--
Mark Parnell

Now implementing http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html