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Gabriël wrote:
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> I hear never use tables, but use div's and now I can't use
> align="center" anymore... please, why?

presentation, that is what your style sheet is for

ELEMENT || CLASS || ID { text-align: center; }

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Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, Gabriël
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> Please give me a link of why frames are bad...

Problems with frames:
http://www.htmlhelp.com/design/frames/whatswrong.html
http://html-faq.com/htmlframes/?framesareevil
http://dorward.me.uk/www/frames/
http://allmyfaqs.net/faq.pl?Problems_with_using_frames

Search Engines and Frames:
http://www.google.com/webmasters/2.html (see under "Your pages use
frames")
http://searchenginewatch.com/webmast...le.php/2167901

Using Frames Properly:
http://www.markparnell.com.au/articles/frames.php

> The problem is that my top is Flash

That's easily fixed.

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Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, Gabriël
<> spouted in alt.html:

> It's the design & look
> and feel my clients and their visitors care about,

You've spoken to every one of their visitors/potential visitors?
Personally, I'd much rather a site that works than one that looks nice.
One that does both is even better, of course.

> not how they index in
> google

IIRC Google can index (some) Flash these days, but I'm not sure, and
*can* doesn't mean *will*. The issue here is more one of visitors
actually being able to use the site.

> Technicly I agree, but from a commercial point of view I don't.

So your clients think it makes commercial sense to lose potential
clients? It's their decision I guess.

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Mark Parnell wrote:

> Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, Gabriël
> <> spouted in alt.html:
>
> > It's the design & look
> > and feel my clients and their visitors care about,
>
> You've spoken to every one of their visitors/potential visitors?
> Personally, I'd much rather a site that works than one that looks nice.
Yep. I could not agree more. http://www.bca.org.au is a prime example.
> One that does both is even better, of course. :-Yep.

>
> > not how they index in
> > google
>
> IIRC Google can index (some) Flash these days, but I'm not sure, and
> *can* doesn't mean *will*. The issue here is more one of visitors
> actually being able to use the site.
Yes. certonly.
>
> > Technicly I agree, but from a commercial point of view I don't.
>
> So your clients think it makes commercial sense to lose potential
> clients?
ha hahaha. My thaughts exactly.
It's their decision I guess.
Yes. I suppose it is.

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Gabriël wrote:

> Chaddy2222 wrote:
> > Gabriël wrote:
> >
> >
> >>David Graham wrote:
> >>
> >>>"Gabriël@Home" <> wrote in message
> >>>news:...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hi Folks,
> >>>>
> >>>>I've been working on this for quite a long time now..
> >>>>
> >>>>http://www.amdemo.com/testsite consists of 2 frames (top & main). I
> >>>>center the Flash element in the top frame and the table in the bottom
> >>>>frame. As long as the browser (FireFox or IE, doesn't matter) is not
> >>>>maximized the menu and the table are directly under each other. But then
> >>>>you maximize the bottom frame is 1 pixel left of the top frame in
> >>>
> >>>alignment.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Does anyone know what this behaviour can be? And how to solve it?
> >>>>
> >>>>Please check http://www.amdemo.com/testsite and let me know!
> >>>>
> >>>>Thanks a lot!
> >>>>
> >>>>Greets,
> >>>>Gab
> >>>
> >>>Hi
> >>>I'm no expert but I think others in this group will point out why frames are
> >>>bad (if tthey are not tired doing so already).
> >>>Try
> >>> body, table {margin: 0;}
> >>> in the css for main.html
> >>>and
> >>>body {margin: 0;}
> >>>for top.html
> >>>
> >>>Not sure how you play with the CSS for a frameset, perhaps you just dothe
> >>>individual pages in the frameset as I have done above. Others will know
> >>>If no good above throw in padding: 0; as well for luck!
> >>>HTH
> >>>David
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>Please give me a link of why frames are bad...
> >
> > Well. You did ask for it!. So here is but a few of the reasons why
> > frames are very bad.
> > http://freewebdesign.cjb.cc/design-tips1.html
> > I also list two alternitives with what you could do / use instead of
> > frames.
> >
> >
> >>The problem is that my top is Flash and I don't want it to be reloaded
> >>on every page change
> >
> > Ahh. If your Flash area contains the navigation. Get rid of that as
> > well. It's useless!.
> > http://freewebdesign.cjb.cc/design-tips4.html That article I wrote
> > will give you an example or two on why that is the case.
>
> I think it's bit on the priority you're after. It's the design & look
> and feel my clients and their visitors care about,
If that's the case. Then it's in your best interest to get rid of the
frames.
not how they index in
> google
Then how the hell do you expect people to find your site. Considering
the Mighty Google is one of the most (if not the most used SE's in the
world) I would be doing everything poesable to try and get indexed. Not
the other way around.
(or for a bit, but I make sure everything is reachable via text
> links)
Pointless really. If you are going to use frames you might as well put
a bit more effort in and make your whole bloody site inaccessible!.
The point is. it's still harder for the SE's to find your content if
it's hidden in a frame.
so that's no option to remove..
What. The frameset or the Flash, which I might point out that 10% of
your visitors won't even see.
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>
> Technicly I agree, but from a commercial point of view I don't.

With neither quill nor qualm, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gabri=EBl?= quothed:

> It seems I've really been up to date for a long time...
>
> I hear never use tables, but use div's and now I can't use
> align="center" anymore... please, why?

It doesn't work right, at least anymore (-if it ever did.)

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