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In article <>,
Jake <> wrote:

> In message
> <43a9df92$0$14678$>, Mark
> Parnell <> writes
> >Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, Rob McAninch
> ><> spouted in alt.html:
> >
> >> Did you read anything on that page?
> >
> >Don't waste your time, Rob. Jake loves frames, and won't hear anything
> >against them - we've been over this many, many times.
> >
>
> Wrong, my friend.
>
> Nowhere will you see me recommend frames for general use.
>
> (.... sits back and waits for MP to provide a reference to disprove that
> statement.)
>
> It's just that there's so many 'urban myths' out there that, when
> repeated enough times, take on the permanence of fact.
>
> Just trying to keep you honest.
>

Good on you Jake, I still have a fond memory for frames. And you
can add that MP was too hopeful about Australia beating the
Safricans... (hi Mark!)

Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, Jake
<> spouted in alt.html:

> Nowhere will you see me recommend frames for general use.

Perhaps not directly. But conversely I have never seen you say that
frames are not suitable for general use (I'm willing to be proved
wrong).

And anyone who recommends *not* using frames gets cried down with shouts
of "Heretic!" (yes, I'm exaggerating . Therefore you are indirectly
recommending them.

> Just trying to keep you honest.

Ditto.

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Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, dorayme
<> spouted in alt.html:

> Good on you Jake, I still have a fond memory for frames.

I don't. I hate using frames sites, and I hated writing frames sites
(only ever did one or two).

> And you
> can add that MP was too hopeful about Australia beating the
> Safricans...

*mutter grumble mutter* But there's 2 games left - we can still win the
series.

> (hi Mark!)

<waves>

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Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, Jake
<> spouted in alt.html:

> Actually, a well-written frames-based site won't give you any
> accessibility problems.

You're right. But making a frames-based site properly accessible takes
far more work than one without frames. That's not worth it IMNSHO,
unless you're charging by the hour.

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<43ab254b$0$14669$>,
Mark Parnell <> wrote:

> > And you
> > can add that MP was too hopeful about Australia beating the
> > Safricans...
>
> *mutter grumble mutter* But there's 2 games left - we can still win the
> series.
>

Probably we will. Honestly, I still reckon the Poms just got
lucky, but that there is something always more inherently
dangerous about the Safricans. A gut feeling. Anyway, best wishes
over next week or so....

Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, dorayme
<> spouted in alt.html:

> Probably we will. Honestly, I still reckon the Poms just got
> lucky, but that there is something always more inherently
> dangerous about the Safricans. A gut feeling.

Yes, and especially with Kallis likely to be back.

> Anyway, best wishes
> over next week or so....

Ditto. Do Martians have any special traditions for Christmas? Do they
celebrate Christmas?

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<43ab26af$0$14675$>,
Mark Parnell <> wrote:

> ... a frames-based site properly accessible takes
> far more work than one without frames. That's not worth it IMNSHO,
> unless you're charging by the hour.

So that is why I made a frames based site! And why I undid a
frames based site. And maybe why I should redo some in frames...

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<doraymeRIDTHIS->, dorayme
<> writes
>In article <>,
> Jake <> wrote:
>
>> In message
>> <43a9df92$0$14678$>, Mark
>> Parnell <> writes
>> >Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, Rob McAninch
>> ><> spouted in alt.html:
>> >
>> >> Did you read anything on that page?
>> >
>> >Don't waste your time, Rob. Jake loves frames, and won't hear anything
>> >against them - we've been over this many, many times.
>> >
>>
>> Wrong, my friend.
>>
>> Nowhere will you see me recommend frames for general use.
>>
>> (.... sits back and waits for MP to provide a reference to disprove that
>> statement.)
>>
>> It's just that there's so many 'urban myths' out there that, when
>> repeated enough times, take on the permanence of fact.
>>
>> Just trying to keep you honest.
>>
>
>Good on you Jake, I still have a fond memory for frames. And you
>can add that MP was too hopeful about Australia beating the
>Safricans... (hi Mark!)

We're talking cricket here, right?

Sadly, if it's a choice between watching cricket and watching paint dry
...... well, that's a tough one

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<43ab24f4$0$14680$>, Mark
Parnell <> writes
>Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, Jake
><> spouted in alt.html:
>
>> Nowhere will you see me recommend frames for general use.
>
>Perhaps not directly. But conversely I have never seen you say that
>frames are not suitable for general use (I'm willing to be proved
>wrong).
>
>And anyone who recommends *not* using frames gets cried down with shouts
>of "Heretic!" (yes, I'm exaggerating . Therefore you are indirectly
>recommending them.
>
>> Just trying to keep you honest.
>
>Ditto.
>
As 'honest' men, we'll just have to agree to differ on this one .....
until next time


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In article <>,
Jake <> wrote:

> We're talking cricket here, right?
>
> Sadly, if it's a choice between watching cricket and watching paint dry
> ..... well, that's a tough one

Yes, I understand.

I like watching live, even a small village team, brings back fond
memories... But, if you have no history with the game or watch it
on telly, it is harder...

In the new year I will make a framed site just for fun, because I
can and because it is one of the few things one can do to buck
the "established" view...