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Hi Folks!

I hope you are all doing well.

I have a website that I've created and I'm wondering if I can ask for
some quality Q & A and some feedback on it. The program is for order
taking for restaurants.

I'd like to have some comments on it. But pleez don't tell me it needs
more graphics!!!

Here's the example, feel free to order to your hearts content.
www.OrderingMadeEasy.Com/

If you are feeling really ambitious pleez go to the administrators'
segement, the URL is www.1369.com/Login.htm

The User ID is bambino and the Password is bino (it is case sensitive).


I'd like to hear your comments on performance, ease of use, and any
other topic you choose. Please don't prove your un-professionalism by
making up dumb-ass criticisms. OK? It requires javascript and that is
the way I want it.

If you like the program then tell your local restaurant owners and
cafeteria managers...if you think it sucks then tell me and especially,

tell me why.

Thanks-In-Advance,

Bob Sweeney
671 686 1310

In post <news: roups.com>,
Bob said:

> www.OrderingMadeEasy.Com/

fix your errors:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=ht...1+Transitional
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/v...1&profile=css2

> It requires javascript and that is the way I want it.

no one cares what you want, its what your /visitors/ want that matters. i
don't have JS available so the page is just a useless pile of ****. i bet
you haven't even checked the site in browsers other than IE, wait let me
guess, its only for IE and thats the way you like it. moron.

> If you like the program then tell your local restaurant owners and
> cafeteria managers...

i would never do them such a disservice.

> if you think it sucks then tell me

it sucks

> and especially, tell me why.

its extremely amateurish rubbish. i'm sure you're very proud of it but
seriously it is crap. i would dump the lot, start again.

for a start:

· learn html, css and a server side language of your choice.
· semantically markup the pages.
· make JS optional, use as much as you like if you want but if its
unavailable then go server side.
· test in browsers other than IE
· learn the basics of UID+HCI

come back in 12-18 months if you work hard you may be close to having
something worth looking at but i would still doubt it would be of a
satisfactory commercial standard. theres a hell of a lot you need to learn,
not just how to throw a few pages together.

you may need to read these:

How to post from Google:
http://www.safalra.com/special/googlegroupsreply/

How do I quote correctly in Usenet? - Quoting and Answering
http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote2.html

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l i t t l e v o i c e s

With neither quill nor qualm, Bob quothed:

> Hi Folks!
>
> I hope you are all doing well.
>
> I have a website that I've created and I'm wondering if I can ask for
> some quality Q & A and some feedback on it. The program is for order
> taking for restaurants.
>
> I'd like to have some comments on it. But pleez don't tell me it needs
> more graphics!!!
>
> Here's the example, feel free to order to your hearts content.
> www.OrderingMadeEasy.Com/
>
> If you are feeling really ambitious pleez go to the administrators'
> segement, the URL is www.1369.com/Login.htm
>
> The User ID is bambino and the Password is bino (it is case sensitive).
>
>
> I'd like to hear your comments on performance, ease of use, and any
> other topic you choose. Please don't prove your un-professionalism by
> making up dumb-ass criticisms. OK? It requires javascript and that is
> the way I want it.
>
> If you like the program then tell your local restaurant owners and
> cafeteria managers...if you think it sucks then tell me and especially,
>
> tell me why.
>
> Thanks-In-Advance,
>
> Bob Sweeney

Kinda simple opening page, don't you think? The aesthetics aren't. I'd
suggest analyzing some better pro pages to get a feel for it.

--
Neredbojias
Contrary to popular belief, it is believable.

Bob wrote:
> Here's the example, feel free to order to your hearts content.
> www.OrderingMadeEasy.Com/
>
> If you like the program then tell your local restaurant owners and
> cafeteria managers...if you think it sucks then tell me and especially,

There's nothing about that that would persuade me to use it. It looks
like it's been written by a nine year old, and lacks any sort of design
whatsoever. The menu screen is, too long, it's cluttered and simply
looks like a direct copy of what must be a poorly laid out menu.
There's no excuse for that sort of stuff these days. You're dealing in
ecommerce, to a degree, with this.

It sucks. It's truly dreadful. I cannot imagine how that "system"
(and I use the word loosely) could benefit a cafeteria or restaurant at
all. It's so much easier to browse a restaurant's site, and then order
while booking the table.

--
Hywel

wrote:
> > Here's the example, feel free to order to your hearts content.
> > www.OrderingMadeEasy.Com/
> > If you like the program then tell your local restaurant owners and
> > cafeteria managers...if you think it sucks then tell me and especially,
> There's nothing about that that would persuade me to use it....
> It sucks. It's truly dreadful. I cannot imagine how that "system"
> (and I use the word loosely) could benefit a cafeteria or restaurant at
> all. It's so much easier to browse a restaurant's site, and then order
> while booking the table.

How do you REALLY feel?
--
-=tn=-

On 9 Nov 2005 22:50:05 -0800, "Bob" <> wrote:

>I have a website that I've created and I'm wondering if I can ask for
>some quality Q & A and some feedback on it.

Probably the worst website we've seen up for critique in months. You
also multi-posted this to every newsgroup _except_ the right one.

It's ugly. It offers no enticement whatsoever to the user to actualy
bother to use it. Whatever it offers isn't clear, and it buries any
useful content in big text blocks of guff.

Implementation is low-end too.

On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 22:50:05 -0800, Bob wrote:

> Hi Folks!

Hi to you too.

> I hope you are all doing well.

Actually I am doing quite poorly but it is a long story.

> I have a website that I've created and I'm wondering if I can ask for
> some quality Q & A and some feedback on it. The program is for order
> taking for restaurants.
>
> I'd like to have some comments on it. But pleez don't tell me it needs
> more graphics!!!

It needs more graphics.

No, but seriously, it sucks. I have to agree with the other respondees.
And I haven't even looked at the HTML/CSS validity or coding.

Think of it from the point of view of a user. How does one order
something from a restaurant, either in person or on the phone? One looks
in a menu and then says in plain speak what the order is. It is not
complicated -- even if the menu is very long.

IMO, a restaurant order system should be very very very easy to use. I
actually have seen some good examples at "restaurants" that have a
website-like menu kiosk system.

Examples (I am in Maryland, you may not have these stores in Florida) can
be found at Sheetz and at Royal Farms.

The kiosk has a touch screen.

There is a simple entry screen that lists the half dozen or so different
high-level categories -- sandwich, fried chicken, hamburgers, etc.. Click
on one (touch with your finger, actually) and it goes to a sub menu

Sub menus have things like toppings, extras (fries, drinks), , etc. All
separated onto simple, uncluttered pages. i.e. condiments is not on the
same page as drink choices.

There are lots of big, friendly, obvious *pictures* of what is being
ordered at every stage of the ordering process.

There is a tally sheet on the right that lists everything that has been
ordered and your running total.

Do yourself a favor and go find a system like this, either in person or on
the web, that has been done already. Mimic it (i.e. copy it verbatim).
Plagarism is the sincerest form of flattery. Don't reinvent the wheel.
Necessity is the mother of inventing menu taking systems. Don't look a
gift horse in its flat pancakes. You've made your fence, now you have to
sleep on it. etc.

Just my opinion. later...

--
JDS | lid
| http://www.newtnotes.com
DJMBS | http://newtnotes.com/doctor-jeff-master-brainsurgeon/

Bob wrote:

> I have a website that I've created and I'm wondering if I can ask for
> some quality Q & A and some feedback on it. The program is for order
> taking for restaurants.

It doesn't look any different than the last time I saw it .. what? ..
six months ago? What have you been doing? It's still terrible.

--
-bts
-Warning: I brake for lawn deer

Bob:
> I have a website that I've created and I'm wondering if I can ask for
> some quality Q & A and some feedback on it. The program is for order
> taking for restaurants.
> I'd like to have some comments on it. But pleez don't tell me it needs
> more graphics!!!

The first impression is: it is ugly!
Really. Even if you don't want graphics, you should make it looks
better. Why do you use fixed font? Why don't you use borders or colors
to separate the elements?

In terms of functionalities, it seems OK but the ergonomy is so-so. Each
time I ordered an item, it asked me to click on the general
corresponding item. This second click is not needed.

No problem with the speed. It was fast.

In summary, just remove the click for the general item (aka Salad) and
improve the aethetics.

Regards, Guillaume

--
My desktop is worth a million of dollars. Put an icon on it.
http://www.milliondollarscreenshot.com/

Bob, If you can take all this abuse and (even) come back for more
apparently, you've got a thick skin and at least that will work in your
favor.

Having no technical expertise myself, I'll let the techies abuse you on that
front.

You may understand your site from the inside, out, but it would help you to
try to understand it from the outside, in.

If I'm a restaurant owner, what am I going to have to do? Will I have to put
my menu into elect. form and put it into your template somehow? You imply
that's simple (5 minutes) but it may not be, so don't try to sell me on ease
of use. Things like emphasizing the ease of use and copyright ownership are
putting the cart before the horse. Put that on hold for now and get back to
the basics.

If I do put my menu into your template, will the ordering system thenceforth
be controlled by me, or somehow still by you?

Will my customers go online, make their orders, then what? What if they
order after hours? What if they live too far away?

Your tutorial seems like it should be for the restaurant owner to take, but
as such it seems like you're trying to show the restaurant owner what the
customer's experience will be. Keep those three points of view clear
(your's, owner's, customer's) in your own mind, and keep them in mind for
your site's readers.

Good luck,
WilliamW


"Bob" <> wrote in message
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> Hi Folks!
>
> I hope you are all doing well.
>
> I have a website that I've created and I'm wondering if I can ask for
> some quality Q & A and some feedback on it. The program is for order
> taking for restaurants.
>
> I'd like to have some comments on it. But pleez don't tell me it needs
> more graphics!!!
>
> Here's the example, feel free to order to your hearts content.
> www.OrderingMadeEasy.Com/
>
> If you are feeling really ambitious pleez go to the administrators'
> segement, the URL is www.1369.com/Login.htm
>
> The User ID is bambino and the Password is bino (it is case sensitive).
>
>
> I'd like to hear your comments on performance, ease of use, and any
> other topic you choose. Please don't prove your un-professionalism by
> making up dumb-ass criticisms. OK? It requires javascript and that is
> the way I want it.
>
> If you like the program then tell your local restaurant owners and
> cafeteria managers...if you think it sucks then tell me and especially,
>
> tell me why.
>
> Thanks-In-Advance,
>
> Bob Sweeney
> 671 686 1310
>