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> From: Konrad Hammerer <>

> I've a question concerning frames. I want to use 3 frames:
>
> 1) Top
> and Down and within Down,
> 2) Left and
> 3) Right
>
>
> Top
> -------------
> |
> Left | Right
> |
> |
>
> Now my question:
> In the left frame I have my Navigation Table, in the right frame I
> have the content and in the top frame I have same kind of
> Header-Information about the content frame. When I click on a link in
> the left frame, I know how to change the right frame (with
> target="right"), but this is not enough! I need to change also the top
> frame, because the Header-Info must be updated and also the left
> frame, because the navigation table may have changed!
>
> How can I solve this problem? Is there a way without javascript?
>
> Thanks,
> Konrad


If ever there was a case for not using frames at all, this looks
like it. You basically want everything to change when a link is
clicked. So yes the solution is design the page without frames
and design the page the link goes to however you want it (again,
without frames).

dorayme

RodeL wrote:

> <a href="javascript:change('top.htm','right.htm','lef t.htm')">link</a>
> You won't win any design-awards with it, but it works.

When Javascript is turned on (which it isn't for Googlebot).
http://jibbering.com/faq/#FAQ4_24

It also fails to work around the standard problems of using frames (e.g.
link sharing, bookmarking, etc).


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In message <>, Konrad Hammerer
<> writes
>Hi!
>
>I've a question concerning frames. I want to use 3 frames:
>
>1) Top
>and Down and within Down,
>2) Left and
>3) Right
>
>
>Top
>-------------
> |
>Left | Right
> |
> |
>
>Now my question:
>In the left frame I have my Navigation Table, in the right frame I have
>the content and in the top frame I have same kind of Header-Information
>about the content frame. When I click on a link in the left frame, I
>know how to change the right frame (with target="right"), but this is
>not enough! I need to change also the top frame, because the
>Header-Info must be updated and also the left frame, because the
>navigation table may have changed!
>
>How can I solve this problem? Is there a way without javascript?
>
>Thanks,
>Konrad

No, not without javascript.

The folks over on comp.lang.javascript will tell you how to do it.

regards.

--
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In message <rdEPe.11242$>, rf
<?@?.?.invalid> writes
>Konrad Hammerer wrote:
>
>> I've a question concerning frames. I want to use 3 frames:
>
>Why?
>
>Cheers
>Richard.
>
>
Why not?

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In message <denamh$84l$2$>, David Dorward
<> writes
>roland.E.oderant wrote:
>
>>>>> I've a question concerning frames. I want to use 3 frames:
>
>>> I'm not very familier with html. If you can tell me a better way to do
>
>> How about using an inline frame?
>
>All the problems of regular frames, but with worse browser support.
>
Iframes work just fine in all modern browsers. Even some old Netscapes
can handle them.

What modern browsers do you know that don't support them?

regards.
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In message <szHPe.35429$>, Beauregard T.
Shagnasty <> writes
>David Dorward wrote:
>> Konrad Hammerer wrote:
>>
>>> I want to have a navigation on the left side and a
>>> Header-Information on top of the page which stays there even if
>>> the user uses the scrollbar.
>> Why? The vast majority of sites don't do that and users manage to
>> cope OK. The main effect that will have (*if* you implement frames
>> well) would be to reduce the effective screen space the user has
>> available for reading the actual content.
>
>Exactly. My browser normally has a usable 450-500 pixels of height for
>the content, on this 800x600px monitor. It is really annoying when some
>web developer thinks I need to stare at his/her huge site logo all the
>time I am trying to read the content in about a 250 pixel height area.
>
>Get over it. Your logo is not nearly as important as your content.
>
>And I don't think anyone has yet mentioned the bookmarking disaster,

Disaster? What disaster? No problems at all for the 90% of users who use
IE; the other browser manufacturers haven't even considered this a
feature worth implementing in their offerings (even in minority browsers
you can usually book-mark the frame, if not the full context).

>or the search engine problems,

No SE problems for a well-written frames-based site.

>of a framed site.
>

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In message <BF35FDD8.163F4%>, dorayme
<> writes
>> From: Konrad Hammerer <>
>
>> I've a question concerning frames. I want to use 3 frames:
>>
>> 1) Top
>> and Down and within Down,
>> 2) Left and
>> 3) Right
>>
>>
>> Top
>> -------------
>> |
>> Left | Right
>> |
>> |
>>
>> Now my question:
>> In the left frame I have my Navigation Table, in the right frame I
>> have the content and in the top frame I have same kind of
>> Header-Information about the content frame. When I click on a link in
>> the left frame, I know how to change the right frame (with
>> target="right"), but this is not enough! I need to change also the top
>> frame, because the Header-Info must be updated and also the left
>> frame, because the navigation table may have changed!
>>
>> How can I solve this problem? Is there a way without javascript?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Konrad
>
>
>If ever there was a case for not using frames at all, this looks
>like it. You basically want everything to change when a link is
>clicked.

No. Just two frames out of three.

>So yes the solution is design the page without frames
>and design the page the link goes to however you want it (again,
>without frames).
>
>dorayme
>

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Konrad Hammerer wrote:

> I've a question concerning frames. I want to use 3 frames:

http://www.allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?Prob...h_using_frames

> In the left frame I have my Navigation Table,

http://www.allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?Tableless_layouts

> in the right frame I
> have the content and in the top frame I have same kind of
> Header-Information about the content frame. When I click on a link in
> the left frame, I know how to change the right frame (with
> target="right"), but this is not enough! I need to change also the top
> frame, because the Header-Info must be updated and also the left
> frame, because the navigation table may have changed!

target="_top" (and build a new frameset document for each view).

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jake wrote:

> >> I've a question concerning frames. I want to use 3 frames:
> >
> >Why?

> Why not?

<checks jake's posting history>

You are new here (except for a brief visit at the beginning of this month).

Lurk for a week or two and you just might find out the many things wrong
with frames, the subject comes up every day or so. At the moment I can't be
bothered to list the dozen or so extremely bad things about frames, apart
from the fact that they are just a pain in the bloody arse.

Check the archive.

Cheers
Richard.

rf wrote:

> jake wrote:
>
>>>> I've a question concerning frames. I want to use 3 frames:
>>>
>>>Why?
>
>> Why not?
>
> <checks jake's posting history>
>
> You are new here (except for a brief visit at the beginning of this month).

Nope, he's been here a long time. I remember him from when I first
asked for sitechecks. First post I can find through Google is April 4,
2004

> Lurk for a week or two and you just might find out the many things wrong
> with frames, the subject comes up every day or so. At the moment I can't be
> bothered to list the dozen or so extremely bad things about frames, apart
> from the fact that they are just a pain in the bloody arse.

Seconded.

> Check the archive.

You check the archive
(on Google Groups, q=jake+gododdin+group:alt.html)


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