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Hello,

I'm kind of new to using DIV's as opposed to TABLE's for page layout.

It seems very prolematic. I'm sure it's because I've many mistakes, but
I'm getting frustrated. See http://ace-co.ath.cx/products for example.
Yes I'm using inline frames, sorry. The borders are for debug.

At the moment, I'm just testing with MS Explorer and Firefox. MS
Explorer looks OK, but not Firefox on this page. I can't figure out what
I did wrong. The text in the DIV class=overview is lowered on the
right-side DIV's and bleeds into the DIV on the bottom. The
corresponding sections on the left are OK.


Thanks,

Bill

bill wrote:

> It seems very prolematic.

Something the proletariat does without even thinking about it?

(NOT a spelling flame; just Fun With English.)

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bill wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm kind of new to using DIV's as opposed to TABLE's for page layout.
>
> It seems very prolematic. I'm sure it's because I've many mistakes, but
> I'm getting frustrated. See http://ace-co.ath.cx/products for example.
> Yes I'm using inline frames, sorry. The borders are for debug.
>
> At the moment, I'm just testing with MS Explorer and Firefox. MS
> Explorer looks OK, but not Firefox on this page. I can't figure out what
> I did wrong. The text in the DIV class=overview is lowered on the
> right-side DIV's and bleeds into the DIV on the bottom. The
> corresponding sections on the left are OK.

http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/v...h.cx/products/

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Blinky the Shark said the following on 8/4/2005 3:53 PM:
> bill wrote:
>
>
>>It seems very prolematic.
>
>
> Something the proletariat does without even thinking about it?

Yes, considering we proletariat's are discouraged more and more from use
of tables for layout in favor of using div's.

If you sit on the board of a large corporation, please forgive me.

But yes, I did mean to say problematic.

>
> (NOT a spelling flame; just Fun With English.)
>

Jedi Fans said the following on 8/4/2005 3:59 PM:
> bill wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm kind of new to using DIV's as opposed to TABLE's for page layout.
>>
>> It seems very prolematic. I'm sure it's because I've many mistakes,
>> but I'm getting frustrated. See http://ace-co.ath.cx/products for
>> example. Yes I'm using inline frames, sorry. The borders are for debug.
>>
>> At the moment, I'm just testing with MS Explorer and Firefox. MS
>> Explorer looks OK, but not Firefox on this page. I can't figure out
>> what I did wrong. The text in the DIV class=overview is lowered on the
>> right-side DIV's and bleeds into the DIV on the bottom. The
>> corresponding sections on the left are OK.
>
>
> http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/v...h.cx/products/
>
>
Ok. Thanks.

I put in my missing semi-colons and added units to my border/margin
specs. Still same problem.

bill wrote:
>> http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/v...h.cx/products/
>>
>>
> Ok. Thanks.
>
> I put in my missing semi-colons and added units to my border/margin
> specs. Still same problem.
get the web developer toolbar for firefox, many many things can be
learnt about a page through it...
<URL:http://chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/>

im not quite sure i get the problem you are talking about btw

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Jedi Fans wrote:
> bill wrote:
>>> http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/v...h.cx/products/
>>>
>>>
>> Ok. Thanks.
>>
>> I put in my missing semi-colons and added units to my border/margin
>> specs. Still same problem.
> get the web developer toolbar for firefox, many many things can be
> learnt about a page through it...
> <URL:http://chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/>
>
> im not quite sure i get the problem you are talking about btw
nvm problem solved:
DIV.lclearer {
clear: both;
line-height: 0;
height: 0;
}

DIV.rclearer {
line-height: 3;
height: 3;
}

= not the same


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In article <3dtIe.1571$>,
bill <> wrote:

> I'm kind of new to using DIV's as opposed to TABLE's for page layout.

You aren't using one div in <http://ace-co.ath.cx/products/>, and with
the intro, I thought you would be.

> At the moment, I'm just testing with MS Explorer and Firefox. MS
> Explorer looks OK, but not Firefox on this page. I can't figure out what
> I did wrong. The text in the DIV class=overview is lowered on the
> right-side DIV's and bleeds into the DIV on the bottom. The
> corresponding sections on the left are OK.

There's not one div in the source of the page you are referring to. I
will tell you that "Batching System" on "Scorpion Batching", "Dispatch
Software" and "Moisture Control" is in the middle of the lower border
for that section and looks like a strikethrough in Safari.

leo

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bill wrote:
>
> I'm getting frustrated. See http://ace-co.ath.cx/products for example.
>
> Explorer looks OK, but not Firefox on this page.

What you are probably seeing is IE's broken default overflow behavior,
compared to FF's conformance to the CSS specs. BTW, the default is
overflow:visible.

When you set the height property, IE treats it as min-height instead,
then expands the element as needed to fit the content. This is incorrect
behavior. FF and other conforming browsers restrict the height to the
specified value and let the content "spill out".

If you change that height property to min-height, then conforming
browsers should do the same as IE does now.

Before you do anything, though, validate your HTML and CSS and fix the
errors. That will eliminate syntax errors as a cause of rendering problems.

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Jedi Fans wrote:
> Jedi Fans wrote:
>
>> bill wrote:
>>
>>>> http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/v...h.cx/products/
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Ok. Thanks.
>>>
>>> I put in my missing semi-colons and added units to my border/margin
>>> specs. Still same problem.
>>
>> get the web developer toolbar for firefox, many many things can be
>> learnt about a page through it...
>> <URL:http://chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/>
>>
>> im not quite sure i get the problem you are talking about btw
>
> nvm problem solved:
> DIV.lclearer {
> clear: both;
> line-height: 0;
> height: 0;
> }
>
> DIV.rclearer {
> line-height: 3;
> height: 3;
> }
>
> = not the same
>
>
At one point they were the same but that was no better. Before that, I
had tried a single DIV.clearer, but it looked like in Firefox, the
clear: both was not only sending the text clear of the float-ing image,
but clear of the DIV to the right as well. So I tried a seperate
DIV.clearer for left and right, and it seemed to get me somewhere
closer, but then I had to leave for the day.

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bill