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Neo Geshel
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      05-16-2005
Just looking for a 10,000 foot overview of this web site:

http://continentalkit.com/

Looking for several things:

• Why does IE ignore the other stylesheets? Both Mozilla and Opera see
the print and handheld stylesheets, but IE ignores them. When one does a
print preview in Mozilla or Opera, the print preview comes out
correctly, but in IE it does not. Same with viewing the site on a
cellphone or a handheld device.
• How is the header image coming out at the very top? Are IE ppl able
to see the full alpha-transparency? (Notice how the background slides
behind the blur when you scroll)
• For those that have Flash disabled (I am not one of them), does the
<object> tag of the flash slideshow gracefully degrade to the internal
<img /> tag? Do you see a static image, or is it only a box with a
“plugin” icon?

That should cover the basics of what I am looking for. A cc to my e-mail
would be appreciated (note sig!).

TIA
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Travis Newbury
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      05-16-2005
Neo Geshel wrote:
> Just looking for a 10,000 foot overview of this web site:


Well the only people that will appreciate this:

" This site makes use of standards-compliant xhtml and css.
It is also Section 508 compliant, and conforms to Level Triple-A of the
W3C Web Accessibility Initiative.
And finally, this site uses no GIFs in its design. Nada. None. PNG or
JPEG images only, folks!"

Are people here. Your visitors will have no idea what you are talking
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Neo Geshel
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      05-16-2005
Travis Newbury wrote:
> Neo Geshel wrote:
>
>> Just looking for a 10,000 foot overview of this web site:

>
>
> Well the only people that will appreciate this:
>
> " This site makes use of standards-compliant xhtml and css.
> It is also Section 508 compliant, and conforms to Level Triple-A of the
> W3C Web Accessibility Initiative.
> And finally, this site uses no GIF�s in its design. Nada. None.PNG or
> JPEG images only, folks!"
>
> Are people here. Your visitors will have no idea what you are talking
> about.
>

<tweaks Newbury’s nose />

That’s why it’s at the bottom, in the footer, and not at the top of the
page! <grin />

In all seriousness, we’ve had other web site / business owners contact
us before asking just what the heck we were talking about. A handful of
them even turned into contracts, after we explained. Which is why we
incorporate it. Confusing to non-techies, but if it grabs the interest
of a web site owner (that either does their own work, and poorly; or has
someone else do the work for them and have never been told about these
standards before) and that owner contacts us to ask questions, so much
the better. And even if all we do is educate them on web standards, so
much the better! Education is always superior to ignorance, even if we
don’t get a contract out of it.



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      05-16-2005


Travis Newbury mumbled the following on 16/05/2005 09:49:
> Neo Geshel wrote:
>
>> Just looking for a 10,000 foot overview of this web site:

>
>
> Well the only people that will appreciate this:
>
> " This site makes use of standards-compliant xhtml and css.
> It is also Section 508 compliant, and conforms to Level Triple-A of the
> W3C Web Accessibility Initiative.
> And finally, this site uses no GIFs in its design. Nada. None. PNG or
> JPEG images only, folks!"
>
> Are people here. Your visitors will have no idea what you are talking
> about.


Nor does the OP apparently:
Fails CSS validation.
Fails XHTML1.1 validation (right Doctype, wrong MIME type).
Fails Automated Section 508.
Fails Automated WAI Level A, let alone Level AAA.

It's all very well trying to impress people, but to those in the know,
you look a bit silly when you can't back those claims up...

With images disabled, you have no obvious <h1> and with CSS disabled
(but images on), you have it twice. On IE6 I don't see any image, even
with images on.

Your title for the acronym JPEG is wrong, it should be Photographic
Experts, not Photographers Expert.

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Terry
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      05-16-2005
Neo Geshel wrote:
> Just looking for a 10,000 foot overview of this web site:
>
> http://continentalkit.com/
>
> Looking for several things:
>
> • Why does IE ignore the other stylesheets? Both Mozilla and Opera see
> the print and handheld stylesheets, but IE ignores them. When one does a
> print preview in Mozilla or Opera, the print preview comes out
> correctly, but in IE it does not. Same with viewing the site on a
> cellphone or a handheld device.
> • How is the header image coming out at the very top? Are IE ppl able
> to see the full alpha-transparency? (Notice how the background slides
> behind the blur when you scroll)
> • For those that have Flash disabled (I am not one of them), does the
> <object> tag of the flash slideshow gracefully degrade to the internal
> <img /> tag? Do you see a static image, or is it only a box with a
> “plugin” icon?
>
> That should cover the basics of what I am looking for. A cc to my e-mail
> would be appreciated (note sig!).


<link rel="stylesheet" media="print" type="text/css"
href="csss/print.css"> Works for me (IE 6) - I guess IE is order
sensitive. (Hard to imagine a bug in a quality browser

The transparency shows fine - I almost did not even see the flash show -
do not see much (if any) value in it.

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Travis Newbury
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      05-16-2005
Terry wrote:
> <link rel="stylesheet" media="print" type="text/css"
> href="csss/print.css"> Works for me (IE 6) - I guess IE is order
> sensitive. (Hard to imagine a bug in a quality browser


What quality browser?

> The transparency shows fine - I almost did not even see the flash

show -
> do not see much (if any) value in it.


Eye candy, pure and simple. And there is nothing wrong with eye candy.

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Andy Dingley
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      05-16-2005
On Mon, 16 May 2005 08:26:36 GMT, Neo Geshel <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Just looking for a 10,000 foot overview of this web site:
>http://continentalkit.com/


Huge text-as-image banner at the top of page. No alt, no title.

Didn't bother looking any further - someone's clueless or careless.
 
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nice.guy.nige
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      05-16-2005
[follow-ups set to news:alt.html]

While the city slept, Neo Geshel ((E-Mail Removed)) feverishly typed...

> Just looking for a 10,000 foot overview of this web site:
>
> http://continentalkit.com/


In Firefox, with images and style turned off, your level-1 heading reads as
follows: "Continental EnterprisesContinental Enterprises - Complete,
detailed and authentic continental kits for most American-built vehicles
from 1949 through present." due to the various titles and alts in there.
Consider something along the lines of...

<h1><img src="whatever.png" alt="Continental Enterprises"></h1>

.... which will serve the image if the user-agent will accept it, or display
the phrase which is in the image (and Firefox at least will display that as
a level-1 heading).

From an aesthetic point of view, I don't really like the banner image. It's
a bit gloomy and hard to read. The slideshow is very distracting. This makes
the text hard to read, as my eye keeps moving every time the image changes.

Not too sure about making it all into one page either. Consider an intro
page, a photo gallery page (so they can show all those nice pics) and a
contact page if they don't want anything too big.

I agree with other posters that the "science bit" (the technical info at the
bottom) is probably too much. Consider a "designed for accessibility" style
comment with a link to a page describing how you approached the design and
development to produce an accessible site (and why that is important).

Hope that helps,
Nige

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Toby Inkster
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      05-16-2005
Neo Geshel wrote:

> http://continentalkit.com/


alt text missing on banner. "enquiries" spelt wrong.

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Neo Geshel
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      05-16-2005
Gazza wrote:
>
>
> Travis Newbury mumbled the following on 16/05/2005 09:49:
>
>> Neo Geshel wrote:
>>
>>> Just looking for a 10,000 foot overview of this web site:

>>
>>
>>
>> Well the only people that will appreciate this:
>>
>> " This site makes use of standards-compliant xhtml and css.
>> It is also Section 508 compliant, and conforms to Level Triple-A of
>> the W3C Web Accessibility Initiative.
>> And finally, this site uses no GIF�s in its design. Nada. None. PNG or
>> JPEG images only, folks!"
>>
>> Are people here. Your visitors will have no idea what you are talking
>> about.

>
>
> Nor does the OP apparently:
> Fails CSS validation.


Really?
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/v...css/global.css
Somehow, I can't understand how you manage to get “Failed”from
“Congratulations! Valid CSS! This document validates as CSS! ”.

> Fails XHTML1.1 validation (right Doctype, wrong MIME type).


Really?
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=ht...ntalkit.com%2F
Somehow, I can't understand how you manage to get "Failed" from "This
Page Is Valid XHTML 1.1!"

> Fails Automated Section 508.
> Fails Automated WAI Level A, let alone Level AAA.


I don’t know what you used to do the validation on these, but this site:
http://webxact.watchfire.com/
says that I only fail level AAA, and by only one checkpoint which I
can’t do anything about because of the way that the feedback formmust
be processed by the server-side code. My hands are tied. If you really
wanna be a neurotic bitch about it, I’ll change the text to AA.

And as for Section 508, the same site clocks me in at having (once
again!) only one (1) error, which is a dubious issue, since I provide
exactly what they demand (the link to the plugin is INSIDE the <object>
tag; users that don’t have flash should see the link... this was a check
that I was asking about. As well, there is a static image that should
also be seen if the user doesn’t have flash).

> It's all very well trying to impress people, but to those in the know,
> you look a bit silly when you can't back those claims up...


I just did. Who's looking silly now?

> With images disabled, you have no obvious <h1> and with CSS disabled
> (but images on), you have it twice. On IE6 I don't see any image, even
> with images on.


Point taken. But my main thrust of support is for TTS readers. Not ppl
with images turned off or CSS disabled.

> Your title for the acronym JPEG is wrong, it should be Photographic
> Experts, not Photographer�s Expert.


Mea Culpa. That, at least, can be “fixed”, and it has been.

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