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ronco wrote:

> But if you test blacks in Africa, where they don't have the white
> admixture (blacks in America average about 20% white blood), the average
> IQ drops to around 60.

It is well known that non-Westerners do poorly at Western IQ tests, simply
because the design of the IQ test assumes knowledge of Western culture.

A typical IQ test question is along the lines of... spot the odd one out:

A. Tin-opener
B. Wooden spoon
C. Nail clippers
D. Cheese grater

It assumes you know the typical contents of a Western kitchen.

But how about if the three kitchen implements were replaced with different
varieties of African bread made from wheat flour, and the nail clippers
were replaced with a type of African bread made from corn flour. Would
*you* be able to spot the odd one out? Would a native African?

And if you didn't guess it, the answer to the spot the odd one out
question was B -- it doesn't have any sharp cutting edges. The others do.

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Toby Inkster wrote:
> ronco wrote:

>> But if you test blacks in Africa, where they don't have the white
>> admixture (blacks in America average about 20% white blood), the average
>> IQ drops to around 60.

> It is well known that non-Westerners do poorly at Western IQ tests, simply
> because the design of the IQ test assumes knowledge of Western culture.

> A typical IQ test question is along the lines of... spot the odd one out:

> A. Tin-opener
> B. Wooden spoon
> C. Nail clippers
> D. Cheese grater

> It assumes you know the typical contents of a Western kitchen.

> But how about if the three kitchen implements were replaced with different
> varieties of African bread made from wheat flour, and the nail clippers
> were replaced with a type of African bread made from corn flour. Would
> *you* be able to spot the odd one out? Would a native African?

> And if you didn't guess it, the answer to the spot the odd one out
> question was B -- it doesn't have any sharp cutting edges. The others do.

Or C -- while the others are useful for preparation of food, nail
clippers aren't.

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"Blinky the Shark" <> wrote in message
news: ...
> Toby Inkster wrote:
> > ronco wrote:
>
> >> But if you test blacks in Africa, where they don't have the white
> >> admixture (blacks in America average about 20% white blood), the
average
> >> IQ drops to around 60.
>
> > It is well known that non-Westerners do poorly at Western IQ tests,
simply
> > because the design of the IQ test assumes knowledge of Western culture.
>
> > A typical IQ test question is along the lines of... spot the odd one
out:
>
> > A. Tin-opener
> > B. Wooden spoon
> > C. Nail clippers
> > D. Cheese grater
>
> > It assumes you know the typical contents of a Western kitchen.
>
> > But how about if the three kitchen implements were replaced with
different
> > varieties of African bread made from wheat flour, and the nail clippers
> > were replaced with a type of African bread made from corn flour. Would
> > *you* be able to spot the odd one out? Would a native African?
>
> > And if you didn't guess it, the answer to the spot the odd one out
> > question was B -- it doesn't have any sharp cutting edges. The others
do.
>
> Or C -- while the others are useful for preparation of food, nail
> clippers aren't.

You both clearly demonstrated the fact that IQ tests are very close to
useless to measure whatever

Rudy


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>

WebMaster wrote:

>
> "Blinky the Shark" <> wrote in message
> news: ...
>> Toby Inkster wrote:
>> > ronco wrote:
>>
>> >> But if you test blacks in Africa, where they don't have the white
>> >> admixture (blacks in America average about 20% white blood), the
> average
>> >> IQ drops to around 60.
>>
>> > It is well known that non-Westerners do poorly at Western IQ tests,
> simply
>> > because the design of the IQ test assumes knowledge of Western culture.
>>
>> > A typical IQ test question is along the lines of... spot the odd one
> out:
>>
>> > A. Tin-opener
>> > B. Wooden spoon
>> > C. Nail clippers
>> > D. Cheese grater
>>
>> > It assumes you know the typical contents of a Western kitchen.
>>
>> > But how about if the three kitchen implements were replaced with
> different
>> > varieties of African bread made from wheat flour, and the nail clippers
>> > were replaced with a type of African bread made from corn flour. Would
>> > *you* be able to spot the odd one out? Would a native African?
>>
>> > And if you didn't guess it, the answer to the spot the odd one out
>> > question was B -- it doesn't have any sharp cutting edges. The others
> do.
>>
>> Or C -- while the others are useful for preparation of food, nail
>> clippers aren't.
>
> You both clearly demonstrated the fact that IQ tests are very close to
> useless to measure whatever

Stephen Jay Gould has debunked the misuse of statistics
by so-called IQ tests at length in "The Mismeasure of Man,"
which, in 1981, anticipated the false arguments of
"The Bell Curve" by many years.
--
mbstevens

WebMaster wrote:

> "Blinky the Shark" <> wrote in message
> news: ...
>> Toby Inkster wrote:
>> > ronco wrote:

>> >> But if you test blacks in Africa, where they don't have the white
>> >> admixture (blacks in America average about 20% white blood), the
> average
>> >> IQ drops to around 60.

>> > It is well known that non-Westerners do poorly at Western IQ tests,
> simply
>> > because the design of the IQ test assumes knowledge of Western culture.

>> > A typical IQ test question is along the lines of... spot the odd one
> out:

>> > A. Tin-opener
>> > B. Wooden spoon
>> > C. Nail clippers
>> > D. Cheese grater

>> > It assumes you know the typical contents of a Western kitchen.

>> > But how about if the three kitchen implements were replaced with
> different
>> > varieties of African bread made from wheat flour, and the nail clippers
>> > were replaced with a type of African bread made from corn flour. Would
>> > *you* be able to spot the odd one out? Would a native African?

>> > And if you didn't guess it, the answer to the spot the odd one out
>> > question was B -- it doesn't have any sharp cutting edges. The others
> do.

>> Or C -- while the others are useful for preparation of food, nail
>> clippers aren't.

> You both clearly demonstrated the fact that IQ tests are very close to
> useless to measure whatever

That's the kind of stuff (equally valid answers) that used to make me
crazy in school, when I took bullets for answering as above when it was
a poorly designed test that was the problem.

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Blinky the Shark wrote:

> Or C -- while the others are useful for preparation of food, nail
> clippers aren't.

C was originally "toilet brush", but I changed it to see how many people I
could trick.

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Toby Inkster wrote:
> ronco wrote:
>
>> But if you test blacks in Africa, where they don't have the white
>> admixture (blacks in America average about 20% white blood), the
>> average IQ drops to around 60.
>
> It is well known that non-Westerners do poorly at Western IQ tests,
> simply because the design of the IQ test assumes knowledge of Western
> culture.
>
> A typical IQ test question is along the lines of... spot the odd one
> out:
>
> A. Tin-opener
> B. Wooden spoon
> C. Nail clippers
> D. Cheese grater
>
> It assumes you know the typical contents of a Western kitchen.

Does that include student digs ?



Richard.

On 10 Mar 2005 19:25:23 GMT, Blinky the Shark <>
wrote:

>WebMaster wrote:
>
>> "Blinky the Shark" <> wrote in message
>> news: ...
>>> Toby Inkster wrote:
>>> > ronco wrote:
>
>>> >> But if you test blacks in Africa, where they don't have the white
>>> >> admixture (blacks in America average about 20% white blood), the
>> average
>>> >> IQ drops to around 60.
>
>>> > It is well known that non-Westerners do poorly at Western IQ tests,
>> simply
>>> > because the design of the IQ test assumes knowledge of Western culture.
>
>>> > A typical IQ test question is along the lines of... spot the odd one
>> out:
>
>>> > A. Tin-opener
>>> > B. Wooden spoon
>>> > C. Nail clippers
>>> > D. Cheese grater
>
>>> > It assumes you know the typical contents of a Western kitchen.
>
>>> > But how about if the three kitchen implements were replaced with
>> different
>>> > varieties of African bread made from wheat flour, and the nail clippers
>>> > were replaced with a type of African bread made from corn flour. Would
>>> > *you* be able to spot the odd one out? Would a native African?
>
>>> > And if you didn't guess it, the answer to the spot the odd one out
>>> > question was B -- it doesn't have any sharp cutting edges. The others
>> do.
>
>>> Or C -- while the others are useful for preparation of food, nail
>>> clippers aren't.
>
>> You both clearly demonstrated the fact that IQ tests are very close to
>> useless to measure whatever
>
>That's the kind of stuff (equally valid answers) that used to make me
>crazy in school, when I took bullets for answering as above when it was
>a poorly designed test that was the problem.

That's the kind of school we use now to see if children can explain
and justify their answers, or just to get them to think and explore
what they know about a topic. The answer could also be:

B because it's natural, the others are made from man-made substances
(presuming they're alloys),

B because it burns, which is a non-reversible change, but the others
melt, and could be made solid again

D because the others have a 'p' in them

--
Beccy

Bec but...

R2G2 wrote:

> On 10 Mar 2005 19:25:23 GMT, Blinky the Shark
> <> wrote:
>
>>WebMaster wrote:
>>
>>> "Blinky the Shark" <> wrote in message
>>> news: ...
>>>> Toby Inkster wrote:
>>>> > ronco wrote:
>>
>>>> >> But if you test blacks in Africa, where they don't
>>>> >> have the white admixture (blacks in America average
>>>> >> about 20% white blood), the average
>>>> >> IQ drops to around 60.
>>
>>>> > It is well known that non-Westerners do poorly at
>>>> > Western IQ tests, simply
>>>> > because the design of the IQ test assumes knowledge of
>>>> > Western culture.
>>
>>>> > A typical IQ test question is along the lines of...
>>>> > spot the odd one out:
>>
>>>> > A. Tin-opener
>>>> > B. Wooden spoon
>>>> > C. Nail clippers
>>>> > D. Cheese grater
>>
>>>> > It assumes you know the typical contents of a Western
>>>> > kitchen.
>>
>>>> > But how about if the three kitchen implements were
>>>> > replaced with different
>>>> > varieties of African bread made from wheat flour, and
>>>> > the nail clippers were replaced with a type of African
>>>> > bread made from corn flour. Would *you* be able to
>>>> > spot the odd one out? Would a native African?
>>
>>>> > And if you didn't guess it, the answer to the spot the
>>>> > odd one out question was B -- it doesn't have any
>>>> > sharp cutting edges. The others do.
>>
>>>> Or C -- while the others are useful for preparation of
>>>> food, nail clippers aren't.
>>
>>> You both clearly demonstrated the fact that IQ tests are
>>> very close to useless to measure whatever
>>
>> That's the kind of stuff (equally valid answers) that used
>> to make me crazy in school, when I took bullets for
>> answering as above when it was a poorly designed test that
>> was the problem.
>
> That's the kind of school we use now to see if children can
> explain and justify their answers, or just to get them to
> think and explore what they know about a topic. The answer
> could also be:
>
> B because it's natural, the others are made from man-made
> substances (presuming they're alloys),
>
> B because it burns, which is a non-reversible change, but
> the others melt, and could be made solid again
>
> D because the others have a 'p' in them

A cause it's got a hyphen, the others have a space

B because it's the only one that actually says what it's made
of instead of what it's for

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- Renato Russo -

Els wrote:

> B because it's the only one that actually says what it's made
> of instead of what it's for

A tin opener could theoretically be made of tin.

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