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Previously in alt.html, Day Brown <> said:

> Can you make html look so it looks like the facing pages of an open
> book? that is, the text on the bottom of the left hand (page, column)
> side continues at the top of the right hand, 'facing page'?

Only by splitting the text into 2 sections yourself, and putting each in
a separate <div> (for example). CSS3 allows columns like that but it is
only a draft, and it will be several years before it is widely supported
enough to consider using on a public site.

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http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au

Can you make html look so it looks like the facing pages of an open
book? that is, the text on the bottom of the left hand (page, column)
side continues at the top of the right hand, 'facing page'?

Mark Parnell wrote:

> Previously in alt.html, Day Brown <> said:
>
>> Can you make html look so it looks like the facing pages of an open
>> book? that is, the text on the bottom of the left hand (page, column)
>> side continues at the top of the right hand, 'facing page'?
>
> Only by splitting the text into 2 sections yourself, and putting each in
> a separate <div> (for example). CSS3 allows columns like that but it is
> only a draft, and it will be several years before it is widely supported
> enough to consider using on a public site.
>

The question reminded me of this...
http://www.alistapart.com/d/imagemap/example2.html
It does some interesting things with image maps, but it leaves out any
actual text content on the pages -- probably for the reasons you have given
us. I don't know any way to do it, either.
--
mbstevens

On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 23:04:57 -0600 Day Brown wrote:

> Can you make html look so it looks like the facing pages of an open
> book? that is, the text on the bottom of the left hand (page, column)
> side continues at the top of the right hand, 'facing page'?

Use a pair of table columns.
I've seen a lot of news sites do this.
Some use tables, others use divisions.
Go fancy with css and give the center a "crease" look.

On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 23:04:57 -0600, Day Brown wrote:

> Can you make html look so it looks like the facing pages of an open
> book? that is, the text on the bottom of the left hand (page, column)
> side continues at the top of the right hand, 'facing page'?

There are a number of ways you can do it, but be warned, if your 'pages'
are taller than the viewing window, we may have to scroll down the first
column, then scroll back up and again down the second column. Personally,
CSS is my prefered way to control the layout.

Carolyn

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 06:56:04 -0500 Carolyn Marenger wrote:

> On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 23:04:57 -0600, Day Brown wrote:
>
>> Can you make html look so it looks like the facing pages of an open
>> book? that is, the text on the bottom of the left hand (page, column)
>> side continues at the top of the right hand, 'facing page'?
>
> There are a number of ways you can do it, but be warned, if your 'pages'
> are taller than the viewing window, we may have to scroll down the first
> column, then scroll back up and again down the second column. Personally,
> CSS is my prefered way to control the layout.
>
> Carolyn


OH MY GAWD!
This site has a damn scroll bar. I'm outa here.
Why the hell do we have damn scroll bars at all then?
Is it our fault Webtv doesn't use horizontal scroll bars?

Show me where it is written in any RFC that thou shalt not use horizontal
scroll bars.

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 19:36:29 -0600, Richard wrote:

> On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 06:56:04 -0500 Carolyn Marenger wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 23:04:57 -0600, Day Brown wrote:
>>
>>> Can you make html look so it looks like the facing pages of an open
>>> book? that is, the text on the bottom of the left hand (page, column)
>>> side continues at the top of the right hand, 'facing page'?
>>
>> There are a number of ways you can do it, but be warned, if your 'pages'
>> are taller than the viewing window, we may have to scroll down the first
>> column, then scroll back up and again down the second column. Personally,
>> CSS is my prefered way to control the layout.
>>
>> Carolyn
>
>
> OH MY GAWD!
> This site has a damn scroll bar. I'm outa here.
> Why the hell do we have damn scroll bars at all then?
> Is it our fault Webtv doesn't use horizontal scroll bars?
>
> Show me where it is written in any RFC that thou shalt not use horizontal
> scroll bars.

I don't think that is written anywhere. For my self, I like to make it as
easy as possible for anyone to view my websites. If I want them to use my
service or buy my product, I won't make them work at it to do so.

If I had a retail outlet, I would do what I could to make it easy for the
clients to find what they are looking for, and then procede to the cash
register. Same goes for anything else I want someone to do. I try to
make it as easy as possible for them to do it. I think that they are more
likely to do it, if they don't have to go over hurdles and obstructions.

For that reason, I try to develop fairly compatible websites, that
minimize the work that someone has to do to view the content. In my mind,
part of that is to try to limit scrolling to one direction. Vertical for
text, horizontal when necessary.

Carolyn

Carolyn Marenger wrote:

>>Show me where it is written in any RFC that thou shalt not use horizontal
>>scroll bars.
> I don't think that is written anywhere. For my self, I like to make it as
> easy as possible for anyone to view my websites. If I want them to use my
> service or buy my product, I won't make them work at it to do so.
My sentiments exactly. You dont see scroll bars in books.
> If I had a retail outlet, I would do what I could to make it easy for the
> clients to find what they are looking for, and then procede to the cash
> register. Same goes for anything else I want someone to do. I try to
> make it as easy as possible for them to do it. I think that they are more
> likely to do it, if they don't have to go over hurdles and obstructions.
>
> For that reason, I try to develop fairly compatible websites, that
> minimize the work that someone has to do to view the content. In my mind,
> part of that is to try to limit scrolling to one direction. Vertical for
> text, horizontal when necessary.
The only way I've found to do it, is to lay out the text and then get a
screenshot, and post the .GIF (you dont need many colors with text, so
gif copies are smaller than jpg.)

But even then, when I do <img src=text.gif size=100%>, it dont actually
*do* 100%, I guess because browser windows vary. I'd like it to 'pg dn'
with the key press too, cause its easier than dragging a mouse.

Now that so many have high speed access, it makes sense to me to just
lay out the page *exactly* as I'd like it to appear, and make a graphic
screen shot to show the surfer. Its gonzo easier than messing with CSS
or html tables, frames, etc..

On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:14:04 -0600, Day Brown wrote:

> Carolyn Marenger wrote:
>
>>>Show me where it is written in any RFC that thou shalt not use horizontal
>>>scroll bars.
>> I don't think that is written anywhere. For my self, I like to make it as
>> easy as possible for anyone to view my websites. If I want them to use my
>> service or buy my product, I won't make them work at it to do so.
> My sentiments exactly. You dont see scroll bars in books.
>> If I had a retail outlet, I would do what I could to make it easy for the
>> clients to find what they are looking for, and then procede to the cash
>> register. Same goes for anything else I want someone to do. I try to
>> make it as easy as possible for them to do it. I think that they are more
>> likely to do it, if they don't have to go over hurdles and obstructions.
>>
>> For that reason, I try to develop fairly compatible websites, that
>> minimize the work that someone has to do to view the content. In my mind,
>> part of that is to try to limit scrolling to one direction. Vertical for
>> text, horizontal when necessary.
> The only way I've found to do it, is to lay out the text and then get a
> screenshot, and post the .GIF (you dont need many colors with text, so
> gif copies are smaller than jpg.)
>
> But even then, when I do <img src=text.gif size=100%>, it dont actually
> *do* 100%, I guess because browser windows vary. I'd like it to 'pg dn'
> with the key press too, cause its easier than dragging a mouse.
>
> Now that so many have high speed access, it makes sense to me to just
> lay out the page *exactly* as I'd like it to appear, and make a graphic
> screen shot to show the surfer. Its gonzo easier than messing with CSS
> or html tables, frames, etc..

That is your choice. I don't choose that option for a number of reasons.
Screen sizes still vary, windows sizes always vary according to user
preferences, language conversion utilities don't convert the language in a
graphic, and so forth. Being multi-lingual (sort of), I try to develop
websites in English first, then with French and German translated pages in
them. That ends up being alot of graphics, if I were to do it your way.

Carolyn

Richard wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 06:56:04 -0500 Carolyn Marenger wrote:
>
>
>>On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 23:04:57 -0600, Day Brown wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Can you make html look so it looks like the facing pages of an open
>>>book? that is, the text on the bottom of the left hand (page, column)
>>>side continues at the top of the right hand, 'facing page'?
>>
>>There are a number of ways you can do it, but be warned, if your 'pages'
>>are taller than the viewing window, we may have to scroll down the first
>>column, then scroll back up and again down the second column. Personally,
>>CSS is my prefered way to control the layout.
>>
>>Carolyn
>
>
>
> OH MY GAWD!
> This site has a damn scroll bar. I'm outa here.
> Why the hell do we have damn scroll bars at all then?

To allow web visitors to view websites that were designed by people with
no consideration for others....

> Show me where it is written in any RFC that thou shalt not use horizontal
> scroll bars.

It's a matter of aesthetics and ease-of-use.....Horisontal scrollbars
look untidy and amateurish, and make it more difficult to view a page
all-at-once....

By your argument, magazine publishers shouldn't worry about fitting
articles successfully into the confines of their magazine pages, as they
can simply include a few loose leaf pages written in blue crayon....


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