Formatting question

Hello all,

I'm using Dreamweaver to work up a document template that will be used
and displayed online as HTML. At this point it's just some tables
with a bit of text. I intend to use the file as a template which will
be filled in with ASP code and text boxes, but I need to get the
template right, first.

The thing I don't like is how Dreamweaver makes the tables. It may
just be a DW thing, I don't know. Please see:

http://pixelmeow.com/example.htm

I want the tables to join one next to the other, without the white
space between; I also don't want the big white spaces between the
individual cells of each table. I just want thin solid lines dividing
each of the cells from each other, and each of the tables from each
other, but I can't find out how to do it in DW. Do I have to do it in
Notepad? That's fine, not a problem, and if this is a FAQ, apologies,
I'll go read the FM if I can have a pointer or two...

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pixelmeow

"pixelmeow" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Hello all,
>
> I'm using Dreamweaver to work up a document template that will be used
> and displayed online as HTML. At this point it's just some tables
> with a bit of text. I intend to use the file as a template which will
> be filled in with ASP code and text boxes, but I need to get the
> template right, first.
>
> The thing I don't like is how Dreamweaver makes the tables. It may
> just be a DW thing, I don't know.

It is a poor mechanic who blames his tools.


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On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:14:12 -0500, in alt.html, "Karl Core"
<> wrote:

>
>"pixelmeow" <> wrote in message
>news:.. .
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I'm using Dreamweaver to work up a document template that will be used
>> and displayed online as HTML. At this point it's just some tables
>> with a bit of text. I intend to use the file as a template which will
>> be filled in with ASP code and text boxes, but I need to get the
>> template right, first.
>>
>> The thing I don't like is how Dreamweaver makes the tables. It may
>> just be a DW thing, I don't know.
>
>It is a poor mechanic who blames his tools.

Be gentle with a newbie...

Do you know how I can make the page look how I want it to look? As I
said, I don't mind working in Notepad. I just don't know the syntax
for this.

Thanks!
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Teresa Robinson
Pixel Software
teresa at pixelmeow dot com
--
~teresa~
AFH Barwench

^..^ "Never try to outstubborn a cat." Robert A. Heinlein ^..^
http://pixelmeow.com/ http://www.heinleinsociety.org/
http://pixelmeow.com/Book_Exchange/index.htm
http://www.storesonline.com/site/rowanmystic
aim: pixelmeow msn:
email my first name at pixelmeow dot com

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:20:59 -0500 pixelmeow scrawled this disquisition:

> On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:14:12 -0500, in alt.html, "Karl Core"
> <> wrote:
>
>>
>>"pixelmeow" <> wrote in message
>>news:. ..
>>> Hello all,

>>> The thing I don't like is how Dreamweaver makes the tables. It may
>>> just be a DW thing, I don't know.
>>
>>It is a poor mechanic who blames his tools.

Yep, a wrench won't work if you don't know which way to turn.


> Do you know how I can make the page look how I want it to look? As I
> said, I don't mind working in Notepad. I just don't know the syntax
> for this.
>

<table cellspacing="0" border="1">

You'll probably also want to add cellpadding="#" or it will really be all
crammed together.

bordercolor="color" is a proprietary markup and not valid html.
Sometimes the wrench is broke too.


FS

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed pixelmeow
<> writing in
news::

> Hello all,

Hello

>
> I'm using Dreamweaver to work up a document template that will be used
> and displayed online as HTML. At this point it's just some tables
> with a bit of text. I intend to use the file as a template which will
> be filled in with ASP code and text boxes, but I need to get the
> template right, first.

Ok, first things first. If the text in the tables is not data, then ditch
the tables. There is nothing worse than having to debug nested tables,
especially when you see something like:

<% response.write "<td><font color="#000000"><table>"
response.write "<tr><td bgcolor="#c0c0c0"><b>" & rs.field0.value & </b>
</td></tr>"
response.write "</table></td>"
%>

>
> The thing I don't like is how Dreamweaver makes the tables. It may
> just be a DW thing, I don't know. Please see:
>
> http://pixelmeow.com/example.htm

If you don't like the way that Dreamweaver makes the tables, then get rid
of Dreamweaver, get rid of presentational markup, use semantic markup, and
CSS. KISS is the name of the game. Google for CSS columns.

>
> I want the tables to join one next to the other, without the white
> space between; I also don't want the big white spaces between the
> individual cells of each table. I just want thin solid lines dividing
> each of the cells from each other, and each of the tables from each
> other, but I can't find out how to do it in DW.

Stop wanting tables for that purpose.

> Do I have to do it in
> Notepad? That's fine, not a problem

Notepad is fine, but you really want something with syntax highlighting. I
like HTML-Kit <http://www.chami.com/html-kit/>, especially since it does a
nice job of highlighting server side code as well. It's got some nice
plugins for ASP and SQL.

> and if this is a FAQ, apologies,

http://www.html-faq.com/

HTH
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"Friendly" <> wrote in message
news...
> On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:20:59 -0500 pixelmeow scrawled this disquisition:
>
>> Do you know how I can make the page look how I want it to look? As I
>> said, I don't mind working in Notepad. I just don't know the syntax
>> for this.
>>
>
> <table cellspacing="0" border="1">
>
> You'll probably also want to add cellpadding="#" or it will really be all
> crammed together.

Or CSS:
td{ padding: XXXpx;}

> bordercolor="color" is a proprietary markup and not valid html.
> Sometimes the wrench is broke too.

Or CSS:

td{border: 1px solid black;}


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[top-posted]

Thanks for a very informative post, I will try what you and the others
have suggested. I had a feeling it was a combination of my ignorance
and my tools, now I know.

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:27:44 GMT, in alt.html, Adrienne
<> wrote:

>Gazing into my crystal ball I observed pixelmeow
><> writing in
>news: :
>
>> Hello all,
>
>Hello
>
>>
>> I'm using Dreamweaver to work up a document template that will be used
>> and displayed online as HTML. At this point it's just some tables
>> with a bit of text. I intend to use the file as a template which will
>> be filled in with ASP code and text boxes, but I need to get the
>> template right, first.
>
>Ok, first things first. If the text in the tables is not data, then ditch
>the tables. There is nothing worse than having to debug nested tables,
>especially when you see something like:
>
><% response.write "<td><font color="#000000"><table>"
> response.write "<tr><td bgcolor="#c0c0c0"><b>" & rs.field0.value & </b>
></td></tr>"
> response.write "</table></td>"
>%>
>
>>
>> The thing I don't like is how Dreamweaver makes the tables. It may
>> just be a DW thing, I don't know. Please see:
>>
>> http://pixelmeow.com/example.htm
>
>If you don't like the way that Dreamweaver makes the tables, then get rid
>of Dreamweaver, get rid of presentational markup, use semantic markup, and
>CSS. KISS is the name of the game. Google for CSS columns.
>
>>
>> I want the tables to join one next to the other, without the white
>> space between; I also don't want the big white spaces between the
>> individual cells of each table. I just want thin solid lines dividing
>> each of the cells from each other, and each of the tables from each
>> other, but I can't find out how to do it in DW.
>
>Stop wanting tables for that purpose.
>
>> Do I have to do it in
>> Notepad? That's fine, not a problem
>
>Notepad is fine, but you really want something with syntax highlighting. I
>like HTML-Kit <http://www.chami.com/html-kit/>, especially since it does a
>nice job of highlighting server side code as well. It's got some nice
>plugins for ASP and SQL.
>
>> and if this is a FAQ, apologies,
>
>http://www.html-faq.com/
>
>HTH
--
Teresa Robinson
Pixel Software
teresa at pixelmeow dot com