Neal wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 20:39:17 GMT, Jan Faerber
> <jancfaerber_spider@monkey_hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Looking at the link above gives me a kind of feeling that takes away
>> 'presentation'.
>
> Why is that? CSS can do the presentation. Why do you need HTML to do it?
It is a problem of communication in a team. As a beginner I learned html and
nobody asked for css. Everybody prefers to let me work and work and work
with html, with DW or Frontpage but in the end everything will be deleted
and something else will be done. If you don't want to talk with me I can
not read your thoughts. Tell me to do it with html or with css!
>> The feeling is I could break something, it is so narrow
>> minded. Something is missing! You have a very strict philosophy of
>> presentation and some content which points out why tables are evil. I
>> miss
>> XML in that case, I miss databases, I miss the real need for using CSS,
>> CSS
>> and nothing else. It looks like a piece of paper flowing in the wind and
>> you catch it. Charming ... it is charming.
>
> You lost me there.
>
> I don't hate tables. I love them. That's why I want to see them put to
> their proper use - to organize tabular content.
I know what you are trying to say: Hey customer - buy my products - they are
listed on my page in this table! or ... Hey student - open my dictionary on
3xwdotdictdotcom and learn the vocabulary I listed for you in those tables.
There is a little problem if you want to automize presentation with css,
isn't it?
> It would be nice if UAs could vary the rendering of table content - show
> columns or rows individually, allow easier cross-table comparisons, etc.
> But as long as most instances of table markup are not for table content
> but for arranging content in a grid purely for presentation, that can't
> really be done.
That is an approach with css for partially sighted people - so they can
listen to table content they mark with their cursor.
> I don't think there's much sense in using tables for layout anymore. At
> one time it did, but with CSS available there's no good reason to choose
> table layout over that. The closest there is to a good reason is this:
> people don't know how to use CSS yet, they're very familiar with tables.
I have to read that more often. I easely forget it again. But I hope it is
not too late for me to get it right with css!!!
>> But why is it when many people say 'frames are evil' that on www.php.net
>> they use tables?
>
> Frames are not tables. What are you saying??
My problem is that I have to know how tables and frames work at least at
their basics. But I know it is very, very important to know css. CSS is
everything. You are absolutly right!!!
>> On that page there is a form to search for functions and
>> words on the whole site. It is still not a huge project with databases
>> but
>> it is already quite a lot. So my opinion is that it would be more
>> important
>> to structure the tutorials, declarations and definitions covering the
>> field
>> of CSS in a manner that makes use of all its advantages and not to break
>> completely with anything that happened before.
>
> You lost me again. Are you saying there should be a search site for CSS
> properties and values?
I don't want to talk about things before they are here. But I really would
appreciate it to have a page done with CSS talking about CSS. I mean CSS is
not the end of everything - it is a wide field.
--
Jan
http://linux.janfaerber.com
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