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In article <>, Neal
() dropped a +5 bundle of words...

> On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:01:14 -0600, Starshine Moonbeam
> <> wrote:
>
> >> So <h1> is not a tag?
> >
> > No. The correct term is element.
> >
> > I don't wig out if people call it tag. I use tag so who am I to crack
> > down on people for doing it?
> >
> > But the proper term is element.
>
> So <h1> is an element???

Yes.


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Justified text is another mark of the amateur.
You are not a designer or writer just because you cobble a little html together
anymore than a bricklayer is architect.

>> I've been trying to get my lists to output justified text, but haven't
>> had much luck. Tried google-searching for the answer, but each site
>> that I went to provided no help. Saw a <ul align="justify"> suggestion,
>> but it didn't work
>>
>> I'm picking things up as I go along, sometimes with much head-ache; it
>> would be far easier to have a one-stop spot to get detailed answers.

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Starshine Moonbeam wrote:
> In article <>, Neal
> () dropped a +5 bundle of words...
>
> >
> > So <h1> is an element???
>
> Yes.

No. <h1> is a tag.

<h1>heading</h2> is an element, with an opening tag, some content, and a
closing tag.

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rf wrote:
> Neal
>> On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 03:07:22 GMT, rf <rf@.invalid> wrote:
>>> <quote>
>>> The Bare Bones Guide to HTML lists every official HTML tag in common
>>> usage,
>>> </quote>
>>>
>>> Element. It is HTML Element. Not tag.
>>
>> So <h1> is not a tag?
>
> <h1> is a tag. It is the opening tag for the h1 element. The h1 element
> also
> has some content and a closing tag.

So the element is delimited by a tag or pair of tags, no?

> The middle bit is very important. The content is not some content on the
> "page" with <h1> and </h1>tags wrapped around it. It is the content of
> the
> h1 element.

Yes, the tag(s) plus the content (if not empty) comprise the element.

> When talking about the "contents" of an HTML page we talk about the
> elements
> that make up that page, not the tags, which are a part of the elements.

Indeed.

> An HTML tutorial should be talking about elements and how they interact.
> It
> should not have as its major emphasis, and in its opening paragraph, a
> discussion of tags. That bit comes when we discuss what an element is.

Hmm. It would seem to me that using "tags" in a description would be
better bait than "elements" considering "tag" is a term more people have
heard of.

Of course, I agree with you rf, but using the term 'tag" isn't cause
enough to trash a site.

> This confusion (coupled with the misconception that tags are actually
> "commands")

Well, that's a separate issue, isn't it?

> leads to things like:
>
> <b>bold<i>bold italic</b>italic</i>
>
> This is of course wrong but it "does" mean something if you think about
> tags, or "commands" It does not make any sense at all if you think about
> elements.

Well, it depends on how "tags" are taught.

In my formative days, I thought of "tags" as on-off switches. This is
probably prevalent, and certainly wrong. After I learned more, I realized
that "tags" had to be nested properly, and I began learning the rules of
nesting.

Later on I learned of "elements". I don't regret it, and I agree that
speaking of "tag" only in a paragraph about "elements" s better. But don't
be deluded into thinking that "tag"-related understanding necessarily
equates to poor nesting.

Devil's Advocate role aside, I still think that "tags" is only a
four-letter word in count only. And that any good primer should mention
"element" nore than "tag", which you did not indicate the site in
questiuon failed to do.

Starshine Moonbeam wrote:
> Neal wrote:
>> So <h1> is an element???
> Yes.

I think you'll find that

<h1>Teddy Grahm Memories</h1>

is an element, while

<h1>

is a tag.

Inkspot wrote:
> Can anyone suggest a good website (or book) for someone new to the
> webmaster game?
>
> I've been trying to get my lists to output justified text, but haven't
> had much luck. Tried google-searching for the answer, but each site
> that I went to provided no help. Saw a <ul align="justify"> suggestion,
> but it didn't work
>
> I'm picking things up as I go along, sometimes with much head-ache; it
> would be far easier to have a one-stop spot to get detailed answers.

An oldie, but goodie:
http://www.blooberry.com/indexdot/html/

A book you want to get: Dynamic HTML - The Definitive Reference 2ed
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...161/somacon-20

Neither are for total newbies. If you are a total newbie, I suggest:
http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/General...TMLPrimer.html

Your question indicates non-newbieness. What will increase your skill
is making test pages and trying them on different browsers. Then, to
reach guru status, get 100% from the free validators at:

HTML: http://validator.w3.org/
CSS: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/

To get justified text in a list, one way is:

<style type="text/css">
UL { text-align:justify; }
</style>
<ul>
<li>This text should be justified.
<li>As should this text be justified.
</ul>

In article <>, Neal
() dropped a +5 bundle of words...

> Starshine Moonbeam wrote:
> > Neal wrote:
> >> So <h1> is an element???
> > Yes.
>
> I think you'll find that
>
> <h1>Teddy Grahm Memories</h1>
>
> is an element, while
>
> <h1>
>
> is a tag.

Fair enough. I just thought people used tag and element interchangably
with element being right and tag for convienence. I didn't know there
was an actual definition for tag. Whoops.



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Previously in alt.html, rf <rf@.invalid> said:

> <h1>heading</h2> is an element

Funny looking element.

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"Mark Parnell" <> wrote in message
news:lk9xx34bnzxv$.1kjvn3dey4kge.mark@markparnell. com.au...
> Previously in alt.html, rf <rf@.invalid> said:
>
> > <h1>heading</h2> is an element
>
> Funny looking element.

Yep. I haven't validated this post yet.

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Richard.

Starshine Moonbeam
>
> Fair enough. I just thought people used tag and element interchangably
> with element being right and tag for convienence. I didn't know there
> was an actual definition for tag. Whoops.

http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/intro/sgmltut.html#h-3.2

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Richard.