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MSIE is a steaming pile of horse ****. No, I take it back. Calling MSIE
a steaming pile of horse **** is being too hard on steaming piles of horse
****. I don't know what to call it. But it sucks monkey nuggets.

There. All vented. But I don't feel any better because I still have to
tweak and hack and fix and workaround just to get MSIE to do some really
basic stuff. Two extra hours of work for every one hour of real work just
to get MSIE to play nice.

And the worst part of it is, non-web developers or designers or whatever
(meaning just regular-shmoe web surfers) don't even realize how crappy
MSIE is. But maybe they are beginning to.

You know, back in 1999, MSIE 5 was actually pretty good. Definitely
better than NS4.x. Which, (among other reasons), is why, IMO, MSIE
finally took control over the Web from NS. But that was then. Now, five
and a half years and nearly zero "innovations" later, MSIE is sucky sucky
sucky.

Arrrrgh!!!

later...

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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 10:09:34 -0500, Jeffrey Silverman wrote:

> Arrrrgh!!!

Allright, I'll describe the source of today's frustration.

On MSIE 6.0.2800.1106 on Windows 2000, I am noticing a problem with
background images not showing up until a screen refresh. I'm not talking
about clicking the "Reload" button either -- I am talking about resizing,
minimizing, or maximizing the window to get the window to be redrawn.
*OR*, taking another open window and "dragging" it over top of the MSIE
window to redraw the portions of the screen under the window being dragged.

I have a background image in a DIV but the background does not show up
until the screen is re-drawn in one of the aforementioned ways.

Has anyone else seen this bug? Anyone know how to fix it?

Sample URL:
<http://initiatives.jhu.edu/nano?csson=1>

Screenshots of problem (in case you are lucky/smart and don't use Windows
or MSIE 6):
<http://engineering.jhu.edu/~jeff/msiebug.php>

Please note that I am running MSIE 6 on Wine on Linux. This does not
matter! I have confirmed that this problem exists exactly like I am
describing it on two different Windows 2000 machines running the same
version of MSIE. I only used the Wine screenshots because it was easier
for me to get the screenshots. The results are the same!

Thanks! later...

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Website | http://www.newtnotes.com

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In article <>,
says...
> MSIE is a steaming pile of horse ****. No, I take it back. Calling MSIE
> a steaming pile of horse **** is being too hard on steaming piles of horse
> ****. I don't know what to call it. But it sucks monkey nuggets.

No news there, then.


> And the worst part of it is, non-web developers or designers or whatever
> (meaning just regular-shmoe web surfers) don't even realize how crappy
> MSIE is. But maybe they are beginning to.

10 million Firefox downloads ...


> You know, back in 1999, MSIE 5 was actually pretty good.

No it wasn't. It's just that NS4 was worse.

--
Hywel

Jeffrey Silverman wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 10:09:34 -0500, Jeffrey Silverman wrote:
>
>
>>Arrrrgh!!!
>
>
> Allright, I'll describe the source of today's frustration.
>
> On MSIE 6.0.2800.1106 on Windows 2000, I am noticing a problem with
> background images not showing up until a screen refresh. I'm not talking
> about clicking the "Reload" button either -- I am talking about resizing,
> minimizing, or maximizing the window to get the window to be redrawn.
> *OR*, taking another open window and "dragging" it over top of the MSIE
> window to redraw the portions of the screen under the window being dragged.
>
> I have a background image in a DIV but the background does not show up
> until the screen is re-drawn in one of the aforementioned ways.
>
> Has anyone else seen this bug? Anyone know how to fix it?
>
> Sample URL:
> <http://initiatives.jhu.edu/nano?csson=1>
>
> Screenshots of problem (in case you are lucky/smart and don't use Windows
> or MSIE 6):
> <http://engineering.jhu.edu/~jeff/msiebug.php>
>
> Please note that I am running MSIE 6 on Wine on Linux. This does not
> matter! I have confirmed that this problem exists exactly like I am
> describing it on two different Windows 2000 machines running the same
> version of MSIE. I only used the Wine screenshots because it was easier
> for me to get the screenshots. The results are the same!
>
> Thanks! later...
>

Hmmmm, not so sure.

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Jeffrey Silverman wrote:
> MSIE is a steaming pile of horse ****. No, I take it back. Calling MSIE
> a steaming pile of horse **** is being too hard on steaming piles of horse
> ****. I don't know what to call it. But it sucks monkey nuggets.
>
> There. All vented. But I don't feel any better because I still have to
> tweak and hack and fix and workaround just to get MSIE to do some really
> basic stuff. Two extra hours of work for every one hour of real work just
> to get MSIE to play nice.
>
> And the worst part of it is, non-web developers or designers or whatever
> (meaning just regular-shmoe web surfers) don't even realize how crappy
> MSIE is. But maybe they are beginning to.
>
> You know, back in 1999, MSIE 5 was actually pretty good. Definitely
> better than NS4.x. Which, (among other reasons), is why, IMO, MSIE
> finally took control over the Web from NS. But that was then. Now, five
> and a half years and nearly zero "innovations" later, MSIE is sucky sucky
> sucky.
>
> Arrrrgh!!!
>
> later...
>

I've been struggling for the last hour to get transparent Flash movies
to work on IE (mac) and Safari (Mac). They work fine on Windows IE6 /
FireFox. Really annoying..!!!!! Just wont work!

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x theSpaceGirl (miranda)

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Jeffrey Silverman wrote:
> MSIE is a steaming pile of horse ****. No, I take it back. Calling MSIE
> a steaming pile of horse **** is being too hard on steaming piles of horse
> ****. I don't know what to call it. But it sucks monkey nuggets.

My thoughts exactly. Anyone want to contribute to the "buy a giant
statue of the Mozilla dinosaur and a plane powerful enough to carry it
so that a bunch of us can drop it on Microsoft headquarters" fund?

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 10:44:37 -0500, Jeffrey Silverman
<> wrote:

>Allright, I'll describe the source of today's frustration.
>
>On MSIE 6.0.2800.1106 on Windows 2000, I am noticing a problem with
>background images not showing up until a screen refresh. I'm not talking
>about clicking the "Reload" button either -- I am talking about resizing,
>minimizing, or maximizing the window to get the window to be redrawn.
>*OR*, taking another open window and "dragging" it over top of the MSIE
>window to redraw the portions of the screen under the window being dragged.
>
>I have a background image in a DIV but the background does not show up
>until the screen is re-drawn in one of the aforementioned ways.
>
>Has anyone else seen this bug?

Sort of. It sounds related to one of the bugs that intermittently hits
my site in some copies of IE and has been discussed in another thread
today.

> Anyone know how to fix it?

Someone in Redmond maybe? (Actually my theory is that no more releases
are coming for IE because the code has got so fragile that they can
hardly touch it without it falling apart completely. Much as Netscape 4
became in fact.)

--
Stephen Poley

http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/

["Followup-To:" header set to alt.html.]
Jeffrey Silverman enlightened us with:
> And the worst part of it is, non-web developers or designers or
> whatever (meaning just regular-shmoe web surfers) don't even realize
> how crappy MSIE is. But maybe they are beginning to.

Well, the problem is that every developer tries to do his/her best to
get a site to display properly on MSIE - either because they want it,
or because their boss tells them to.

Personally, I've stopped supporting MSIE on my personal websites. If
someone uses MSIE, I tell them they use a backwards browser from the
middleages.

A large part of the internet is built by hobbyists. If a big part of
these hobbyists stop supporting MSIE, maybe we can make people say "I
want to use Firefox/Opera/Whatever because it works on every website".
Because /that/ is exactly why people keep using MSIE - it works on
every website.

Sybren
--
The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be a
capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the
safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?

Jeffrey Silverman wrote:

> On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 10:09:34 -0500, Jeffrey Silverman wrote:
>
>> Arrrrgh!!!
>
> Allright, I'll describe the source of today's frustration.
>
> On MSIE 6.0.2800.1106 on Windows 2000, I am noticing a problem with
> background images not showing up until a screen refresh. I'm not talking
> about clicking the "Reload" button either -- I am talking about resizing,
> minimizing, or maximizing the window to get the window to be redrawn.
> *OR*, taking another open window and "dragging" it over top of the MSIE
> window to redraw the portions of the screen under the window being
> dragged.
>
> I have a background image in a DIV but the background does not show up
> until the screen is re-drawn in one of the aforementioned ways.
>
> Has anyone else seen this bug? Anyone know how to fix it?
>
> Sample URL:
> <http://initiatives.jhu.edu/nano?csson=1>
>
> Screenshots of problem (in case you are lucky/smart and don't use Windows
> or MSIE 6):
> <http://engineering.jhu.edu/~jeff/msiebug.php>
>
> Please note that I am running MSIE 6 on Wine on Linux. This does not
> matter! I have confirmed that this problem exists exactly like I am
> describing it on two different Windows 2000 machines running the same
> version of MSIE. I only used the Wine screenshots because it was easier
> for me to get the screenshots. The results are the same!
>
> Thanks! later...

might be this:
http://www.positioniseverything.net/.../peekaboo.html

Leif K-Brooks schreef:

> Jeffrey Silverman wrote:
>
>> MSIE is a steaming pile of horse ****. No, I take it back. Calling
>> MSIE
>> a steaming pile of horse **** is being too hard on steaming piles of
>> horse
>> ****. I don't know what to call it. But it sucks monkey nuggets.
>
>
> My thoughts exactly. Anyone want to contribute to the "buy a giant
> statue of the Mozilla dinosaur and a plane powerful enough to carry it
> so that a bunch of us can drop it on Microsoft headquarters" fund?

Hell no!
They´ll manage to steal it and alter it a little bit and sell it to the
world again as their own invention. They did it before, remember?