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Frogleg
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      09-03-2004
Don't all choke yourselves laughing, but I've been asked to put
together a small "how to make a web page" class, and I don't know what
to charge. It's got to be more than my theoretical hourly fee for
regular web work, obviously, because I have to do all the prep as well
as showing up to natter about it.

I've googled a bit and most training sites I've come across say
"e-mail for a quote."

Has anybody done anything remotely like this? Any ballpark ideas or
calculation methods? TIA
 
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Hywel
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      09-03-2004
In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, Frogleg says...
> Don't all choke yourselves laughing, but I've been asked to put
> together a small "how to make a web page" class, and I don't know what
> to charge. It's got to be more than my theoretical hourly fee for
> regular web work, obviously, because I have to do all the prep as well
> as showing up to natter about it.
>
> I've googled a bit and most training sites I've come across say
> "e-mail for a quote."
>
> Has anybody done anything remotely like this? Any ballpark ideas or
> calculation methods? TIA


Surely it would be your hourly rate multiplied by (the number of hours
you prepare + the number of hours you teach)?

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Jeffrey Silverman
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      09-03-2004
On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 17:38:41 +0000, Frogleg wrote:

> Don't all choke yourselves laughing, but I've been asked to put together a
> small "how to make a web page" class, and I don't know what to charge.
> It's got to be more than my theoretical hourly fee for regular web work,
> obviously, because I have to do all the prep as well as showing up to
> natter about it.

<snip!>

The training classes I go to where I work and sponsored by my university
(but these are not university classes -- they are one to three day
"training seminars") are in the $300USD per person per day range. Usually
about a dozen students attend.

http://www.welch.jhu.edu/classes/webdev.cfm

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Clive Moss
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      09-03-2004

"Frogleg" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Don't all choke yourselves laughing, but I've been asked to put
> together a small "how to make a web page" class, and I don't know what
> to charge. It's got to be more than my theoretical hourly fee for
> regular web work, obviously, because I have to do all the prep as well
> as showing up to natter about it.
>
> I've googled a bit and most training sites I've come across say
> "e-mail for a quote."
>
> Has anybody done anything remotely like this? Any ballpark ideas or
> calculation methods? TIA


Depends where you are to some extent.

You cannot always charge for preparation time because if you were doing this
on a regular basis you would always be already prepared. Having the
knowledge to impart is always of value. Any training that I do, I charge at
between 300 & 400 (GBP) per day - even if it is low tech stuff (I do other
things than just web sites, outside the computer world altogether). There is
no reason to charge more for IT training than any other sort, in fact some
of my other knowledge is so specialised that the supply and demand principle
means that I can charge more for it than web design, where self-professed
experts can be found on any street corner.

Many years ago there was an old guy who was asked to repair a dent in a gas
tank. He came with a little rubber hammer and in two minutes had the repair
executed.
When the company got the bill for 200 they sent it back and asked for an
itemised invoice.
Our guy replied - "To knocking out dent 5 - To knowing where to knock 195"

Clive


 
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Frogleg
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      09-04-2004
On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 21:32:41 GMT, "Clive Moss"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

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>"Frogleg" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote


>> Don't all choke yourselves laughing, but I've been asked to put
>> together a small "how to make a web page" class, and I don't know what
>> to charge.


>Depends where you are to some extent.


Yes, I understand. That's why I asked about maybe a calculation basis.
>
>You cannot always charge for preparation time because if you were doing this
>on a regular basis you would always be already prepared.


Eggzactly. I can't charge clients for my learning curve with web
design stuff, but in this case the office that's asked me to do the
class/seminar *knows* it isn't my main line of work and that I'll have
to develop from scratch.

> Having the
>knowledge to impart is always of value. Any training that I do, I charge at
>between 300 & 400 (GBP) per day - even if it is low tech stuff (I do other
>things than just web sites, outside the computer world altogether). There is
>no reason to charge more for IT training than any other sort, in fact some
>of my other knowledge is so specialised that the supply and demand principle
>means that I can charge more for it than web design, where self-professed
>experts can be found on any street corner.


^_^ Fortunately, this *should* be very introductory. I know "web
design" is a glut in the market, but hope that actually presenting
"how to" has less competition, and if moderately well done, could be
expanded upon. I was surprised to discover that (free) classes on
how to operate Windows(!) at the library fill up as soon and as often
as they're offered. Problem is getting volunteers (no thank you) to
teach.
>
>Many years ago there was an old guy who was asked to repair a dent in a gas
>tank....


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"A man brought his comatose dog to the vet's. The vet told him the
dog was dead. 'Are you sure, doc?' said the man. The vet sighed and
brought a cat in from another room. The cat walked around the dog,
scratched its nose, jumped on its back, and bit its tail with the dog
showing no reaction whatsoever. The vet removed the cat, and told the
man 'I'm sorry, but your dog is definitely dead.' 'How much do I owe
you,' said the dog owner. '$260,' said the vet. 'What?! $260 just for
telling me my dog is dead?!' '$10 for looking at the dog. $250 for the
cat scan,' the vet replied."
 
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Toby Inkster
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      09-04-2004
Frogleg wrote:

> A man brought his comatose dog to the vet's.


A man took his cross-eyed dog to the vet. The vet shone a torch in the
dog's eyes, examined the dog a bit more and picked him up to look at the
dog's eyes in more detail.

He turned to the man and said, "I'm sorry, I'm going to have to put this
dog down."

The man was upset. "Just because he's cross-eyed?!"

The vet replied, "No, because he's really heavy."

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Toby Inkster
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      09-04-2004
Frogleg wrote:

> Any ballpark ideas or calculation methods? TIA


The proper capitalist pig-dog answer to this one is "charge as much as you
think they'll be willing to pay".

The proper socialist loony answer is "charge as much as you and your
family need to live on".

Find a happy medium.

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Andy Dingley
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      09-04-2004
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 10:53:22 +0100, Toby Inkster
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>The proper socialist loony answer is "charge as much as you and your
>family need to live on".


The current UK market rates won't support that much. Why pay for
someone who _has_ a family, when you can get a 22-23 year old fresh
graduate to do it for half as much ?

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Frogleg
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      09-05-2004
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 18:35:40 +0100, Andy Dingley
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>On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 10:53:22 +0100, Toby Inkster
><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>The proper socialist loony answer is "charge as much as you and your
>>family need to live on".

>
>The current UK market rates won't support that much. Why pay for
>someone who _has_ a family, when you can get a 22-23 year old fresh
>graduate to do it for half as much ?


This is not the problem. I'm the one they want to do this -- they came
to me. But they (local gov't) either don't know or won't say what the
going rate is. Just "how much would you charge?"
 
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Frogleg
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      09-06-2004
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 10:42:38 +0100, Toby Inkster
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>Frogleg wrote:
>
>> A man brought his comatose dog to the vet's.

>
>A man took his cross-eyed dog to the vet. The vet shone a torch in the
>dog's eyes, examined the dog a bit more and picked him up to look at the
>dog's eyes in more detail.
>
>He turned to the man and said, "I'm sorry, I'm going to have to put this
>dog down."
>
>The man was upset. "Just because he's cross-eyed?!"
>
>The vet replied, "No, because he's really heavy."


Thanks. I just passed that one along to my 'cat scan' source.
 
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