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Hello

When I use target="_blank" in my forms it works well to create pop up window
in Internet Explorer but in Navigator it still creates a full sized window.
I don't want to use the window.open method in Javascript as I've heard that
pop up blockers will stop this from working. Is there a way to fix this
problem?

Thanks

Peter Mount

"Peter Mount" <> wrote in message
news:40d55ab3$...
> Hello
>
> When I use target="_blank" in my forms it works well to create pop up
window
> in Internet Explorer but in Navigator it still creates a full sized
window.

Please explain the difference between "pop up window" and "full sized
window" in this context.

target="_blank" should work identically with both browsers.

> I don't want to use the window.open method in Javascript as I've heard
that
> pop up blockers will stop this from working. Is there a way to fix this
> problem?

Pop-up blockers also block windows launched with target="_blank".

Cheers
Richard.

"Peter Mount" <> wrote:

>When I use target="_blank" in my forms it works well to create pop up window
>in Internet Explorer but in Navigator it still creates a full sized window.

This depends on more than just the browser. It also depends on the
version of the browser, the operating system, and whether the original
window was maimised or not.

target="_blank" says to the browser "open a new window as you see
best".

>I don't want to use the window.open method in Javascript as I've heard that
>pop up blockers will stop this from working.

Some popup blockers also block target="_blank". Or cause it to open in
a new tab. Or cause it to open in the original window.

>Is there a way to fix this problem?

Don't open a new window.

Steve

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Steve Pugh <> <http://steve.pugh.net/>

Hello

Which pop up blockers do this?


"Steve Pugh" <> wrote in message
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>
> Some popup blockers also block target="_blank". Or cause it to open in
> a new tab. Or cause it to open in the original window.
>

Thanks

Peter Mount

[post rearranged]

You put your gratuity and sig at the bottom. Why did you not put your
question below the quoted bit you were questioning?

"Peter Mount" <> wrote in message
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> "Steve Pugh" <> wrote in message
> news...
> >
> > Some popup blockers also block target="_blank". Or cause it to open in
> > a new tab. Or cause it to open in the original window.

> Which pop up blockers do this?

Many third party popup blockers simply prohibit any new window from opening,
for any reason.

The one I use (popup-stopper from panicware) will not allow a new browser
instance (read new window) to launch, even if it me that is launching it. I
have to lean on the ctrl key to open a new browser instance.

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Cheers
Richard.

In article <40d55ab3$>,
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> When I use target="_blank" in my forms it works well to create pop up window
> in Internet Explorer but in Navigator it still creates a full sized window.
> I don't want to use the window.open method in Javascript as I've heard that
> pop up blockers will stop this from working. Is there a way to fix this
> problem?

If you perceive a pop up to be a problem, then don't use a popup.
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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 10:43:29 GMT, rf <> wrote:


>> Which pop up blockers (block all popup browser windows)?
>
> Many third party popup blockers simply prohibit any new window from
> opening,
> for any reason.
>
> The one I use (popup-stopper from panicware) will not allow a new browser
> instance (read new window) to launch, even if it me that is launching
> it. I
> have to lean on the ctrl key to open a new browser instance.

I've tried a number of pop-up blockers which work identically. Perhaps the
most popular, the Google toolbar, works this way as well.

Peter Mount wrote:

> Hello
>
> When I use target="_blank" in my forms it works well to create pop up window
> in Internet Explorer but in Navigator it still creates a full sized window.

target="_blank" popup windows will be the same size of its parent/opener
and 15px to its right and 15px to its bottom: this is true for NS 7.x,
Mozilla-based browsers and MSIE 6 and the motivations behind this is
related to best usability reasons. You may have the impression that NS
creates a full sized window but resize the opener and then try again.

A target="_blank" popup window bring other problems, namely the
impossibility to reuse, to recycle such secondary window.

> I don't want to use the window.open method in Javascript as I've heard that
> pop up blockers will stop this from working.

Most popup blockers are set to prevent opening of unrequested,
unsollicited popups (during load time). Those who set popup blockers to
prevent or neutralize window.open() should still open the referenced
documents into the same window unless the web author resorted to
"javascript:" pseudo-protocol which is unfortunately quite common and
quite wrong.

DU

Is there a way to fix this
> problem?
>
> Thanks
>
> Peter Mount
>
>
>

DU wrote:

>> When I use target="_blank" in my forms ... to create pop up window
I don't understand why you call this a popup (which imho. looks smaller
has no browser statu and menu bars and sits on top of your browser)

>> in Internet Explorer but in Navigator it still creates a full sized window.
I find that it creates new windows in IE and new tabs in NN, Mozilla,
Opera and Netcaptor

>> I don't want to use the window.open method in Javascript as I've heard
>> that pop up blockers will stop this from working.
The target="_blank" isn't blocked by the popup-blockers I use (have used
& tried)

>
> A target="_blank" popup window bring other problems, namely the
> impossibility to reuse, to recycle such secondary window.

If you want to reuse or gather information in that secordary window it's
a bad idea to make a popup ( imho. )
I only use it for 2 reasons :

1 - present an outside link and maintain my website available to the
user when he has finished with the 3rd party info i provide

2 - to preserve the navigational integrity i.e. I present a single
(multi)language document in any language context and I can't make out
what menu the user came to the document from and the document has its
own menu markup belonging to its basic language. rather than duplicating
the document I present it outside the primary screen when the user
notices the menu in another language he will close the screen and find
himself back at the point where he left off .
Soemtimes I even drop the menu section form the document and leave links
to the language mainpage or just a
"close_this_window_to_return_to_the_webpage" button

I find this naviagationally correct usage rather then hyacking other
people's content in a frame or trying to recover from this situation

derek giroulle wrote:

>
>
> DU wrote:
>
>>> When I use target="_blank" in my forms ... to create pop up window
>
> I don't understand why you call this a popup (which imho. looks smaller
> has no browser statu and menu bars and sits on top of your browser)
>
>>> in Internet Explorer but in Navigator it still creates a full sized
>>> window.
>
> I find that it creates new windows in IE and new tabs in NN, Mozilla,
> Opera and Netcaptor
>
>>> I don't want to use the window.open method in Javascript as I've
>>> heard that pop up blockers will stop this from working.
>
> The target="_blank" isn't blocked by the popup-blockers I use (have used
> & tried)
>
> >
> > A target="_blank" popup window bring other problems, namely the
> > impossibility to reuse, to recycle such secondary window.
>
> If you want to reuse or gather information in that secordary window it's
> a bad idea to make a popup ( imho. )

Creating a new window takes considerable amount of time, cpu, RAM, code
execution in the browser software, memory management, toolbar creations,
window frame, document loading, all kinds of branch code, etc... If you
investigate closely the issue, you'll easily see that new secondary
window represents well above 5000 lines of code in modern browsers.

Now, all this is created on the user's system and thanks to the user's
system resources. My reasoning for recycling secondary windows is that
if I'm going to promote (didn't say impose here) this
new-separate-window scenario to the user, then I better have a good
justification to do so and best would be to reuse it eventually. I'm
trying to defend, justify my use of his resources here. And the best
approach is to notify the user in advance of all this, fair and square.

In some webpage design situations, recycling an already opened secondary
window is a responsible and defendable webpage design decision.

> I only use it for 2 reasons :
>
> 1 - present an outside link and maintain my website available to the
> user when he has finished with the 3rd party info i provide
>

Can you show an example of this?

> 2 - to preserve the navigational integrity i.e. I present a single
> (multi)language document in any language context and I can't make out
> what menu the user came to the document from and the document has its
> own menu markup belonging to its basic language. rather than duplicating
> the document I present it outside the primary screen when the user
> notices the menu in another language he will close the screen and find
> himself back at the point where he left off .
> Soemtimes I even drop the menu section form the document and leave links
> to the language mainpage

Can you give an example illustrating, demonstrating all this? Just an url.

DU

or just a
> "close_this_window_to_return_to_the_webpage" button
>
> I find this naviagationally correct usage rather then hyacking other
> people's content in a frame or trying to recover from this situation
>