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Nowhere wrote:
> What are good web editors to use? Or should I just use Frontpage?
> What can Notepad do?
>
> Once built, how and where do you upload it to? How do you get your own
> domain ?

HTML-kit; a free webeditor with many plugins.
The URL is www.chami.com
There are also newsgroups especially for the HTML-kit ->
news.chamisplace.com

Gerard Schaefers

SpaceGirl wrote:
> "Nowhere" <> wrote in message
> news:ca4pmp$np1$...
>> What are good web editors to use? Or should I just use Frontpage?
>> What can Notepad do?
[snip]
> DreamWeaver MX 2004 is by far the best of all the editors out there,
> but it's a fairly big package and takes a bit to get to grips with.
> It hand;es all of the really complex stuff very well though -
> including ASP, JSP, C# and other .NET lanuages, plus the usual
> suspects - HTML, XHTML, CSS and XML + really good Flash support,
> great layer handling and one of the most simple CSS and style
> management things on the market. Also great at site management, and
> built in FTP.
[snip]

I concur. It is easy enough to produce valid Strict code. (Except for an
irritating deficiency that often catches me out - it won't automatically
replace "&" in external links with a properly-escaped version! They typically
work, but don't validate).

But - don't go near Layout Mode! (I wish that was an extra cost option, and I
could get a refund on it).

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Nowhere wrote:
> So basically HTML - Kit (YMMV) is the best free one. And is better than
> Frontpage...Thanks.

Heh, well, yes and no

Firstly: "YMMV" means "Your Milage May Vary" which is Internet talk for
"it's down to personal opinion".

Microsoft Frontpage, in all honesty, is "ok". It has 3 main problems:

1) It is designed for Internet Explorer. Most people on the WWWeb use
Microsoft Internet Explorer, something like 80% or 90%. However, that's
out of about 500,000,000 (5 hundred million) people. Internet Explorer
is a web browser. Have you heard of Netscape Navigator? Opera? Mozilla
Firebird/FireFox? These are like Internet explorer, in that they are
programs designed to view websites.

There is a "standard" for designing websites. Sites are made in a
language called HTML. Imagine the English Language. Originally, only
English people spoke it. Now, Americans, Australians, New Zealanders,
Canadians etc all speak it, but all very differently. 99% of it is the
same but the Americans say "trash" whilst the English say "Rubbish".
Australians say "Dexters" and the English say "Felt Tip Pens". The
English say "Filofax" whilst the New Zealanders say "Personal
Organiser". HTML and web browsers are the same. There's one base
language called "HTML 4.01". Internet explorer uses this 99% of the
time, but deviates from it every so often with it's own versions of
tags. Netscape Navigator deviates a bit with it's own unique bits and
bobs. For example, the "<blink>" tag can be used in NS whilst IE won't
recognise it etc. FireFox and Opera conform to the HTML standard pretty
much 99.9999999% if not 100%.

Frontpage, designed by Microsoft, puts in tags and coding that will ONLY
work on Internet Explorer. Soemtimes a page rendered in Frontpage wont
even work on Netscape or Firefox.

So whilst Frontpage will make a page that 90% of the web users can see,
that means out of the 500,000,000 people on web, 50,000,000 (50 million)
people might not be able to see it.


2) It creates pages for "Microsoft Only" servers. HEard of Windows?
Heard of Linux? The two things do the same thing - they run a computer,
but they do it in different ways. Some web hosters use the microsoft web
server called "Internet Information Services" (IIS). Some use Apache.
For Linux, Apache is used quite a bit. Apple Macintosh servers also have
their own thing...

The advanved Frontpage features such as the "search" coding will ONLY
work on a server specifically designed for Frontpage, such as IIS.
Apache can't make these features work. So if you pick a web host who
uses Apache or something simlar, and that's probably about 30-50% of
them, then your page and time is all wasted.


3) It "decides" for you. You use FP like you do Microsoft Word - you
type your stuff, highlight it, make it bold etc - but FP decides how it
does this, not you. However, all editors have this problem.


The best way to make a site is to learn HTML yourself. Failing that, get
something like Dreamweaver, or at least a program that will create 100%
(or as close as) HTML 4.01 coding - anything geared towards individual
browsers will be useless to upto 50 million people.


I personally use Notepad since it lets me controll my code completely,
not adding things I don't want, and at the end of the day, if the site
doesn't work I can work out why.

I hope this helps you

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In article <slJxc.139$aL4.5@newsfe3-gui>, says...
> So whilst Frontpage will make a page that 90% of the web users can see,
> that means out of the 500,000,000 people on web, 50,000,000 (50 million)
> people might not be able to see it.

Chances are out of the 500,000,000 499,999,900 will probably never come
to the site anyway. There are way too may other factors involved to
make that statement. And the numbers are not proportional over different
groupings of people. Proof of that is that 70%+ from this forum don't
use IE.

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Whitecrest wrote:

> In article <slJxc.139$aL4.5@newsfe3-gui>, says...
>
>>So whilst Frontpage will make a page that 90% of the web users can see,
>>that means out of the 500,000,000 people on web, 50,000,000 (50 million)
>>people might not be able to see it.
>
>
> Chances are out of the 500,000,000 499,999,900 will probably never come
> to the site anyway.

it's a percentage, silly.

out of the 100 that do, 10 can't view it.



> There are way too may other factors involved to
> make that statement.

No, there aren't.


> And the numbers are not proportional over different
> groupings of people.

that's why I didn't make groups. I used the entire Internet.



> Proof of that is that 70%+ from this forum don't
> use IE.

70% of this newsgroup (it's not a forum) do not represent the "average
joe" of the WWW.

read my post.

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Weyoun the Dancing Borg wrote:

> The advanved Frontpage features such as the "search" coding will ONLY
> work on a server specifically designed for Frontpage, such as IIS.
> Apache can't make these features work.

Yes Apache can.

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Toby A Inkster wrote:

> Weyoun the Dancing Borg wrote:
>
>
>>The advanved Frontpage features such as the "search" coding will ONLY
>>work on a server specifically designed for Frontpage, such as IIS.
>>Apache can't make these features work.
>
>
> Yes Apache can.
>


Apache uses front page server extensions?

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In article <DkLxc.150$>,
says...
> > Chances are out of the 500,000,000 499,999,900 will probably never come
> > to the site anyway.
> it's a percentage, silly.
> out of the 100 that do, 10 can't view it.

Percentages can not be transposed between populations. So you are
wrong.

> > There are way too may other factors involved to
> > make that statement.
> No, there aren't.

Why does this group have a higher percentage of non IE usage?

> > And the numbers are not proportional over different
> > groupings of people.
> that's why I didn't make groups. I used the entire Internet.

Groups visit websites, not the entire Internet. Kids visit cartoon
network,
Musicians visit guitarcenter.com people that don't play music generally
don't, Dieters visit ediets.com skinny people generally don't

dem·o·graph·ics
The characteristics of human populations and population segments,
especially when used to identify consumer markets. Learn it and be
wiser.

> > Proof of that is that 70%+ from this forum don't
> > use IE.
> 70% of this newsgroup (it's not a forum) do not represent the "average
> joe" of the WWW.

There is no "internet average joe" It changes depending on the content.
(look up demographics)

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Whitecrest wrote:

>>it's a percentage, silly.
>>out of the 100 that do, 10 can't view it.
>
>
> Percentages can not be transposed between populations. So you are
> wrong.

No, in this context, percentages of web users are entirely relavent.
We're talking about end users, not people at alt.html. So stop sticking
your head up your arse and pay attention.


>
>
>>> There are way too may other factors involved to
>>>make that statement.
>>
>>No, there aren't.
>
>
> Why does this group have a higher percentage of non IE usage?

because most of the regulars here are web developers and/dor website
designers and know better than to use IE as their main browser. This
does not constitute the average joe of the web.


>
>
>>>And the numbers are not proportional over different
>>>groupings of people.
>>
>>that's why I didn't make groups. I used the entire Internet.
>
>
> Groups visit websites, not the entire Internet. Kids visit cartoon
> network,
> Musicians visit guitarcenter.com people that don't play music generally
> don't, Dieters visit ediets.com skinny people generally don't
>
> dem·o·graph·ics
> The characteristics of human populations and population segments,
> especially when used to identify consumer markets.

Exactly my point, and the average joe will pick IE as a browser becuse
they either dont know any better or find it to their preference. Do you
want me to find figures for avery WWW viewers and IE as their browser?



> Learn it and be
> wiser.

again, get your head out of your arse. Read the original post, read my
reponse and either admit you are wrong or you don't understand what I said.

Are you suggesting that Average Joe website viewer is not using internet
explorer as their web browser?



>
>
>>>Proof of that is that 70%+ from this forum don't
>>>use IE.
>>
>>70% of this newsgroup (it's not a forum) do not represent the "average
>>joe" of the WWW.
>
>
> There is no "internet average joe" It changes depending on the content.
> (look up demographics)

put up or shut up.



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In article <haMxc.394$>,
says...
> Exactly my point...
<snip everything>
You obviously do not understand demographics. That's ok, a lot here
don't so you fit in nicely


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