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A Leon
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      04-10-2004
Is the number of words entered in
META name="keywords" content=""
illimited ?
And can I also enter words in other languages - even arabic ?

Does entering too much words not result in a negative reaction of the search
robot ?

And I suppose it helps to enter these words also in free text further in the
document ? Is the position : beginning or end of the document of interest.

Thanks on forehand for any help




 
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David Dorward
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      04-10-2004
A Leon wrote:

> Is the number of words entered in
> META name="keywords" content=""
> illimited ?


The specification doesn't impose any limit.

> And can I also enter words in other languages - even arabic ?


Of course, just make sure you use a suitable character encoding for your
document.

> Does entering too much words not result in a negative reaction of the
> search robot ?


Search engines do not publish the rules they use for indexing, anecdotal
evidence would suggest that those few search engines which pay any
attention to meta keywords penalise pages using large numbers of them.


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Toby A Inkster
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      04-10-2004
A Leon wrote:

> Is the number of words entered in
> META name="keywords" content=""
> illimited ?


No. There is a maximum of three. Choose them wisely.

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Jukka K. Korpela
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      04-10-2004
"A Leon" <leonjozef(remove anti spam)@skynet.be> wrote:

> Is the number of words entered in
> META name="keywords" content=""
> illimited ?


No, you can spamdex there as much as you wish, and indexing robots can
ignore it or punish it as much as they wish.

> And can I also enter words in other languages - even arabic ?


Naturally. Of course it gets more and more pointless.

If your document is not in Arabic, why would you like to fool people into
finding it when they are looking for documents in Arabic?

> Does entering too much words not result in a negative reaction of the
> search robot ?


Absolutely maybe, depending unconditionally on the circumstances.

> And I suppose it helps to enter these words also in free text further
> in the document ?


Are you asking us what you suppose?

> Is the position : beginning or end of the document
> of interest.


It is.

To summarize, forget that you ever heard of <meta name="keywords" ...>.
The _only_ situation where they might make some sense is this: You have
document that is historical, or for some other reason the content proper
must not be changed, yet it contains several essential words in
_declined_ forms only. (This is largely irrelevant to languages such as
English and French, which have very little declination, but more
important to languages such as German, and rather essential to languages
like Hungarian.) Since people probably use the base forms of words in
their queries, you might consider adding a <meta> tag that lists base
forms of such essential words. - But for documents with modifiable
content, it is better to reformulate or add sentences so that key words
appear in base form too.

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A Leon
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      04-10-2004
Thanks for your reaction.


"Jukka K. Korpela" <> schreef in bericht
news:Xns94C784CD6CA4Fjkorpelacstutfi@193.229.0.31. ..
> "A Leon" <leonjozef(remove anti spam)@skynet.be> wrote:
>
> > Is the number of words entered in
> > META name="keywords" content=""
> > illimited ?

>
> No, you can spamdex there as much as you wish, and indexing robots can
> ignore it or punish it as much as they wish.
>
> > And can I also enter words in other languages - even arabic ?

>
> Naturally. Of course it gets more and more pointless.
>
> If your document is not in Arabic, why would you like to fool people into
> finding it when they are looking for documents in Arabic?






I speak Flemish and may enter a search term in Flemish.
But I am also interested in an English reply as I understand English too...



>
> > Does entering too much words not result in a negative reaction of the
> > search robot ?

>
> Absolutely maybe, depending unconditionally on the circumstances.
>
> > And I suppose it helps to enter these words also in free text further
> > in the document ?

>
> Are you asking us what you suppose?





Supposing (in Flemish : veronderstellen) means that you think it is like
that - but are not entirely sure and that you consequentially seek
confirmation.





>
> > Is the position : beginning or end of the document
> > of interest.

>


> It is.




so line numbers should be important ?


>
> To summarize, forget that you ever heard of <meta name="keywords" ...>.
> The _only_ situation where they might make some sense is this: You have
> document that is historical, or for some other reason the content proper
> must not be changed, yet it contains several essential words in
> _declined_ forms only. (This is largely irrelevant to languages such as
> English and French, which have very little declination, but more
> important to languages such as German, and rather essential to languages
> like Hungarian.) Since people probably use the base forms of words in
> their queries, you might consider adding a <meta> tag that lists base
> forms of such essential words. - But for documents with modifiable
> content, it is better to reformulate or add sentences so that key words
> appear in base form too.


Do I conclude that for the average search robot, a word in the besa text is
as important as a word in the meta tag ?

thanks.


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> Pages about Web authoring: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/www.html
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Eric B. Bednarz
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      04-10-2004
"Jukka K. Korpela" <> writes:

> To summarize, forget that you ever heard of <meta name="keywords" ...>.
> The _only_ situation where they might make some sense is this: You have
> document that is historical, or for some other reason the content proper
> must not be changed, yet it contains several essential words in
> _declined_ forms only.


Forgetting their irrelevance for search engines due to excessive abuse
for a moment, keywords *could* also be used sensible for common typos
and odd synonyms; some pre made local search engine facilities provide
support for that since it is rather simple, in such cases possibly even
in adantage for the user.


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Spartanicus
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      04-10-2004
Eric B. Bednarz <> wrote:

>> To summarize, forget that you ever heard of <meta name="keywords" ...>.
>> The _only_ situation where they might make some sense is this: You have
>> document that is historical, or for some other reason the content proper
>> must not be changed, yet it contains several essential words in
>> _declined_ forms only.

>
>Forgetting their irrelevance for search engines due to excessive abuse
>for a moment, keywords *could* also be used sensible for common typos


This is a job for the SE, not for a site's author. SEs cater for that
sort of thing already (Google: Did you mean "flubberwocky"?).

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DU
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      04-10-2004
Jukka K. Korpela wrote:

> "A Leon" <leonjozef(remove anti spam)@skynet.be> wrote:
>


[snipped]

>
>>And can I also enter words in other languages - even arabic ?

>
>
> Naturally. Of course it gets more and more pointless.
>
> If your document is not in Arabic, why would you like to fool people into
> finding it when they are looking for documents in Arabic?
>


[snipped]

What if the document is in English but you also have corresponding
translations in German, Spanish, Portuguese, etc..? I happen to have
such website, you see, and I have included 25 groups of keywords for
each language.

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David Dorward
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      04-10-2004
DU wrote:

>> If your document is not in Arabic, why would you like to fool people into
>> finding it when they are looking for documents in Arabic?


> What if the document is in English but you also have corresponding
> translations in German, Spanish, Portuguese, etc..?


Then you would put the German keywords in the meta data for the German
translation, and the Spanish keywords in the meta data for the Spanish
translation and so on.



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Big Bill
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      04-10-2004
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 10:36:28 +0200, "A Leon" <leonjozef(remove anti
spam)@skynet.be> wrote:

>Is the number of words entered in
>META name="keywords" content=""
>illimited ?


I've seen it suggested that around 150 characters including white
space is the optimum.

>And can I also enter words in other languages - even arabic ?


Well you could ........

>Does entering too much words not result in a negative reaction of the search
>robot ?


No, they'll just ignore most of it.

>And I suppose it helps to enter these words also in free text further in the
>document ? Is the position : beginning or end of the document of interest.


Some say both. Can't hurt.

>Thanks on forehand for any help


No sweat.

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